Problem with neighbours boundary wall
Discussion
dickymint said:
It'll be a ten minute job with a Stihl saw to chop out the concrete after the pathway is laid. I understand the OPs concern but I doubt very much if the builder plans to leave it as is.
If that is the case - common courtesy would say - you tell the OP what the plan is.dickymint said:
Mandat said:
stuart313 said:
I dont even agree with the footings being on your land. Suppose you wish to build an extension, you cant even get your footings up to the edge of your land never mind your wall, it seems your neighbour has more of a right to your land than you do.
The Party Wall etc. Act 1996 gives the right to place projecting footings on neighbouring land, if necessary. Conversely, if the neighbour then wants to build up to the boundary line as well, they can cut back the projecting footings, or there are other foundation designs that can be used to work around the projecting footings. It is all relatively straightforward and which shouldn't deprive the neighbour of any rights to their own land.
This is why it is possible to build right up to a property boundary and still have a traditional strip footing, since the projecting concrete of the footing can be placed below ground on the neighbours land.
You have to follow the PWA procedure one way or another (even if by just asking permission) if you want to put footings under you neighbour's land, yes ultimately they can't stop you, thus it is really a party (fence) wall even if only one brick high.
You can't build astride the boundary without your neighbour's permission regardless of the PWA, if they object, you must put the wall adjacent at the closest.
So yes under the PWA ordinary footings can extend under the neighbouring land, but nothing can project over the land - coping, fascia, gutter etc. - without permission, it would constitute an ongoing trespass.
You can't build astride the boundary without your neighbour's permission regardless of the PWA, if they object, you must put the wall adjacent at the closest.
So yes under the PWA ordinary footings can extend under the neighbouring land, but nothing can project over the land - coping, fascia, gutter etc. - without permission, it would constitute an ongoing trespass.
Theoldfm said:
That's not a wall it's a key kerb.
The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
Exactly, it's not a problem just needs tidying up at the end of the job once the new pathway has been laid and keyed in.The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
Theoldfm said:
That's not a wall it's a key kerb.
The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
You've missed the relative levels. Nothing will grow within a foot of that 'wall'The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
jules_s said:
Theoldfm said:
That's not a wall it's a key kerb.
The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
You've missed the relative levels. Nothing will grow within a foot of that 'wall'The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
Welshbeef said:
With the PWA who pays if the neighbour has laid footing first who pays to cut the footings? Surely that isn't a cheap thing to do but should be a shared cost!
Err... for a start they are not footings and secondly, you think I should share the cost of removing crap from my property that I did not instigate?Ovaltine said:
Theoldfm said:
That's not a wall it's a key kerb.
The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
Yes, with the haunching on my land!The usual way to lay these is to wet bed and haunch them - which is what they have done.
Theoldfm said:
To be honest, all that needs is some topsoil to cover the hunch. Once done you would never know it was there.
The wall, or kerb, is about 6" high. It's not even but parts of the cement start at about 2" from the top, sloping into our garden by about 4" at worst. A mountain of earth would cover most of it but the worst bit near our front door, it would blow away in 5 mins.If I was your neighbour, built that wall with concrete on your property and me saying 'don't worry mate, it'll cover with topsoil, you'll never know it's there', would you be happy?
Maybe they will chip it off when finished but the wife mentioned something about putting shingle over it, so I would have about 4" of shingle in my garden. Nice, I've always wanted that....
They haven't covered the air bricks (not that it concerns me), but have left a gap which I assume they will put some pretty tiles in.
Someone mentioned DPC, I know nothing about building, where would that go, between the poured concrete and the walls of their house? (might as well learn something while here).
No permission was sort or granted about slapping a load of concrete on my garden (even if that's the way you do a key kerb). All I was told was a brick wall would be built, showed the contractor where the boundary line was and he told me he would build it on their side, so no problem there. I would have no problem with some footings extending into our property by an 1" or 2 as long as it was BELOW the surface as per the illustration I posted. That seems reasonable, but I cannot believe it is lawful to use someone else's property or land to support a structure built on yours!
Don't know why I didn't think of it before (most probably because he hasn't worked as one for years), but an old and close friend of mine is a qualified chartered building surveyor, I'm sure he will know what the law is on this, 'constitute an ongoing trespass' sounds about right to me.
I have not seen hide nor hair of the neighbours BTW.
Thanks to all who have contributed.
Chill out it will all end up ok
dickymint said:
You'd better believe it as no law has been broken (assuming he cuts away the crap below ground level).
This remains to be seen....dickymint said:
Out of interest, if it were you that wanted to do similar up to your boundary, how would you do it (as is your right) without encroaching next door?
If I were to build a boundary wall on my property, I would do it so as not to impose any of the construction on my neighbours property. If my wall needed FOOTINGS that encroached UNDER my neighbours land and was within the law, I can't see a problem. I'm struggling to find what f
king point you are trying to make?Ovaltine said:
If I were to build a boundary wall on my property, I would do it so as not to impose any of the construction on my neighbours property. If my wall needed FOOTINGS that encroached UNDER my neighbours land and was within the law, I can't see a problem. I'm struggling to find what fking point you are trying to make?
How rude! king point you are trying to make?
I can see your point, but personally it would not bother [me at all. I would just get your neighbour to cover the concrete with some decent topsoil, then you won't see it. The land on your side looks a bit unkempt anyway....(no offence intended)....If it was a nice turfed lawn that ran up the the "wall", yes, I would be annoyed.
All (imho)
All (imho)
Ovaltine said:
Welshbeef said:
With the PWA who pays if the neighbour has laid footing first who pays to cut the footings? Surely that isn't a cheap thing to do but should be a shared cost!
Err... for a start they are not footings and secondly, you think I should share the cost of removing crap from my property that I did not instigate?Footings have be be underground - I'm not really sure what the mess they have left should or shouldn't be but I'd want it removed.
Wacky Racer said:
I can see your point, but personally it would not bother [me at all. I would just get your neighbour to cover the concrete with some decent topsoil, then you won't see it. The land on your side looks a bit unkempt anyway....(no offence intended)....If it was a nice turfed lawn that ran up the the "wall", yes, I would be annoyed.
All (imho)
Yes. That all makes perfect sense to me too.All (imho)
When I built my patio I used similar key kerbs with a concrete haunch behind (albeit on my land!). I topsoiled over it and you would never know it was there.
The OP needs to chill out a bit (IMO) and go and have a chat with his neighbour's builder to see what their actual plans are rather than arguing in public with the good folkes of PH. At the end of the day, we are just trying to help.
Unless the neighbour's builder is a powerfully built Company Director type who likes throwing cans of Red Bull that is...
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