Buying first home, a million questions!!
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Hi All
My partner and I are looking to buy our first house later this year (will be going out looking at houses in September which is when we will hit our "magic number", savings wise). It's been a long time coming as we've not had any family help to fall back on, so we want to get everything just right.
I'm a pretty OCD guy who gets hung up on small details, so at the moment I have a million questions rattling around my head, in no coherent order. Hoping a few people who have been through this pain themselves can offer me some hints, tips and friendly advice!
- Because we're now in the "six month countdown", we have started window shopping on Rightmove, Zoopla etc. and in the last 3 weeks we've found just one property that we'd even want to go and view. Is this normal?! Bearing in mind that Bristol is a big city, and we are working with a good budget for first time buyers.
We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Wow, this turned into a long post! Like I said I had all these thoughts rambling around in my head and no one really to talk to, perhaps a psychiatrist is the next step!
Either way, if you are able to offer any guidance on even just one of these questions, I'd appreciate it!
Cheers
My partner and I are looking to buy our first house later this year (will be going out looking at houses in September which is when we will hit our "magic number", savings wise). It's been a long time coming as we've not had any family help to fall back on, so we want to get everything just right.
I'm a pretty OCD guy who gets hung up on small details, so at the moment I have a million questions rattling around my head, in no coherent order. Hoping a few people who have been through this pain themselves can offer me some hints, tips and friendly advice!
- Because we're now in the "six month countdown", we have started window shopping on Rightmove, Zoopla etc. and in the last 3 weeks we've found just one property that we'd even want to go and view. Is this normal?! Bearing in mind that Bristol is a big city, and we are working with a good budget for first time buyers.
We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Wow, this turned into a long post! Like I said I had all these thoughts rambling around in my head and no one really to talk to, perhaps a psychiatrist is the next step!
Either way, if you are able to offer any guidance on even just one of these questions, I'd appreciate it!
Cheers
Crikey.
Seems first time buyers now are a lot different to 10 years ago. I was basically living in a terrace slum with drug dealers down the street that's all my maximum £42,500 budget could get me.
Anyway I digress.
Fire place plastering, hiding wires (a must) and hanging the TV £500 say should be reasonable.
Mortgage broker I too was sceptical until a good mate became one. He basically said do your own research bring the best you can find to me and I will get you a better deal. He did. Ok it was something like 0.2 % and £250 cash back it wasn't much but it all adds up over 10 years.
Yes your cash buyers and can move fast so that's good for a chunk off the asking price £300k down to £270k may be a bit ambitious but he who dares. Watch location location.
Yes people will leave you kitchen goods especially cookers and fridge freezers depends why they are selling. Getting married and have two of everything plus a wedding list for new stuff then help yourself.
Seems first time buyers now are a lot different to 10 years ago. I was basically living in a terrace slum with drug dealers down the street that's all my maximum £42,500 budget could get me.
Anyway I digress.
Fire place plastering, hiding wires (a must) and hanging the TV £500 say should be reasonable.
Mortgage broker I too was sceptical until a good mate became one. He basically said do your own research bring the best you can find to me and I will get you a better deal. He did. Ok it was something like 0.2 % and £250 cash back it wasn't much but it all adds up over 10 years.
Yes your cash buyers and can move fast so that's good for a chunk off the asking price £300k down to £270k may be a bit ambitious but he who dares. Watch location location.
Yes people will leave you kitchen goods especially cookers and fridge freezers depends why they are selling. Getting married and have two of everything plus a wedding list for new stuff then help yourself.
It's definitely worth using a mortgage broker, and I would see one now to see what you can do.
Why are you waiting till September to view? The process will take that long to get to completion so why not start seriously looking now / sooner. There will be more properties on the market in April / May / June than Sept / Oct. If nothing else lookign now will help narrow down what you are really looking for. Again, the mortgage broker can advise.
Read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Buying-Selling-Home-Dummie...
Why are you waiting till September to view? The process will take that long to get to completion so why not start seriously looking now / sooner. There will be more properties on the market in April / May / June than Sept / Oct. If nothing else lookign now will help narrow down what you are really looking for. Again, the mortgage broker can advise.
Read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Buying-Selling-Home-Dummie...
I would find a good lawyer, as we'd missed out on a few houses, changed lawyers and it was a much better experience. We also had a IFA sort our mortgage, which took the hassle out of things.
When we moved, we were left with an ancient tumble dryer, a broken cooker and a built in fridge freezer. Additionally the central heating was broken too.
When we moved, we were left with an ancient tumble dryer, a broken cooker and a built in fridge freezer. Additionally the central heating was broken too.
BoRED S2upid said:
Crikey.
Seems first time buyers now are a lot different to 10 years ago. I was basically living in a terrace slum with drug dealers down the street that's all my maximum £42,500 budget could get me.
Haha. Seems first time buyers now are a lot different to 10 years ago. I was basically living in a terrace slum with drug dealers down the street that's all my maximum £42,500 budget could get me.
Without boring you with too many details, we spent our late teens and early twenties living beyond our means and accumulating vast amounts of credit card debts.
Through studying on weekends for 5 years I became a chartered accountant and spent every spare penny working off that debt. We've been saving now for three years - this has been a long time coming for us!
1. Perfectly normal to go a while before seeing something you like. You're in the best buying position you'll ever be so take your time. Any subseqeunt move is harder. Although some compromise is usually required, agree with your OH a 'must have' list. Make sure you're both happy with what you progress on.
2. I'd suggest that having the chimney capped and the lower section covered might be an option. I've little experience of this, but actually removing a chimney would be a big job I reckon.
3. Have a look online for a sample homebuyers report. I'm going though a purchase at the moment and had precisely this question. The homebuyers report is IMO a waste of time and gives you little more than a good look around yourself would do. My personal view is if the house is quite new and conventional then don't bother. If it's very old or odd then building survey. Depends upon your attitude for risk. In my case I did my own poke around the loft (OCD is actually helpful here). You can get a damp meter for £7 from eBay - I did. Structurally, cracks, wonky bits, tiles, timbers...
4. Get formal quotes from say 4 solicitors, wack the details into an excel sheet. Make sure you're comparing like for like. The disbursements should be fairly constant across all parties, the actual legal fees should be the only real difference. Note solicitors prices are usually EX VAT, some add on case handling fees etc. Spreadsheet ensures you're getting what you need at the best price. Don't be afraid to haggle. Lots of competition here.
5. You make your money when you buy the house. As first timers you hold the cards. £30k might be a little optimistic but there's no harm in trying. This is business so be cheeky. Look to get stuff thrown in as a sweetner too, cookers etc all add up in your first move.
6. Brokers are good for your first time as they guide you through the process. I've approached three in the past. In every occassion I've found a better deal myself, despite them all being 'independant'. In the end, I found my own and offered a broker the chance to progress it for me on commission only - me not paying a fee as I found it. Best of both woulds. Getting the right rate is hugely important. For reference the difference between the deal the broker found and the one I found added £10k to the overall mortgage cost and £700 to my up front fees.
Generally - tread with caution with brokers.
7. Can't help with floors
8. Answered above. When selling my own place I'd have offered the lot if required and the price was right.
Hope this is of some help!
2. I'd suggest that having the chimney capped and the lower section covered might be an option. I've little experience of this, but actually removing a chimney would be a big job I reckon.
3. Have a look online for a sample homebuyers report. I'm going though a purchase at the moment and had precisely this question. The homebuyers report is IMO a waste of time and gives you little more than a good look around yourself would do. My personal view is if the house is quite new and conventional then don't bother. If it's very old or odd then building survey. Depends upon your attitude for risk. In my case I did my own poke around the loft (OCD is actually helpful here). You can get a damp meter for £7 from eBay - I did. Structurally, cracks, wonky bits, tiles, timbers...
4. Get formal quotes from say 4 solicitors, wack the details into an excel sheet. Make sure you're comparing like for like. The disbursements should be fairly constant across all parties, the actual legal fees should be the only real difference. Note solicitors prices are usually EX VAT, some add on case handling fees etc. Spreadsheet ensures you're getting what you need at the best price. Don't be afraid to haggle. Lots of competition here.
5. You make your money when you buy the house. As first timers you hold the cards. £30k might be a little optimistic but there's no harm in trying. This is business so be cheeky. Look to get stuff thrown in as a sweetner too, cookers etc all add up in your first move.
6. Brokers are good for your first time as they guide you through the process. I've approached three in the past. In every occassion I've found a better deal myself, despite them all being 'independant'. In the end, I found my own and offered a broker the chance to progress it for me on commission only - me not paying a fee as I found it. Best of both woulds. Getting the right rate is hugely important. For reference the difference between the deal the broker found and the one I found added £10k to the overall mortgage cost and £700 to my up front fees.
Generally - tread with caution with brokers.
7. Can't help with floors
8. Answered above. When selling my own place I'd have offered the lot if required and the price was right.
Hope this is of some help!
Collectingbrass said:
It's definitely worth using a mortgage broker, and I would see one now to see what you can do.
Why are you waiting till September to view? The process will take that long to get to completion so why not start seriously looking now / sooner. There will be more properties on the market in April / May / June than Sept / Oct. If nothing else lookign now will help narrow down what you are really looking for. Again, the mortgage broker can advise.
Read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Buying-Selling-Home-Dummie...
Thanks. The reason we are waiting until September is because we have a savings number in mind which comprises deposit, stamp duty, legal fees, and a 'kitty' to move in with that will cover some decoration and furnishing costs (moving from furnished flat so own nothing). Why are you waiting till September to view? The process will take that long to get to completion so why not start seriously looking now / sooner. There will be more properties on the market in April / May / June than Sept / Oct. If nothing else lookign now will help narrow down what you are really looking for. Again, the mortgage broker can advise.
Read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Buying-Selling-Home-Dummie...
By September we will hit the required amount to cover everything but that 'kitty', so the plan is to continue to save once we start the process off, as it will obviously take time to find somewhere and then get things moving.
If we started seriously looking now we wouldn't be able to cover the deposit and stamp duty.
Our savings power is massively increased while we are still renting, and as we are on a rolling tenancy we are under no pressure time-wise, other than what we impose on ourselves. Our hope was to kick the process of in Sep once we hit that savings target and then get something over the line by Xmas, in a perfect world.
Fizpop said:
1. Perfectly normal to go a while before seeing something you like. You're in the best buying position you'll ever be so take your time. Any subseqeunt move is harder. Although some compromise is usually required, agree with your OH a 'must have' list. Make sure you're both happy with what you progress on.
2. I'd suggest that having the chimney capped and the lower section covered might be an option. I've little experience of this, but actually removing a chimney would be a big job I reckon.
3. Have a look online for a sample homebuyers report. I'm going though a purchase at the moment and had precisely this question. The homebuyers report is IMO a waste of time and gives you little more than a good look around yourself would do. My personal view is if the house is quite new and conventional then don't bother. If it's very old or odd then building survey. Depends upon your attitude for risk. In my case I did my own poke around the loft (OCD is actually helpful here). You can get a damp meter for £7 from eBay - I did. Structurally, cracks, wonky bits, tiles, timbers...
4. Get formal quotes from say 4 solicitors, wack the details into an excel sheet. Make sure you're comparing like for like. The disbursements should be fairly constant across all parties, the actual legal fees should be the only real difference. Note solicitors prices are usually EX VAT, some add on case handling fees etc. Spreadsheet ensures you're getting what you need at the best price. Don't be afraid to haggle. Lots of competition here.
5. You make your money when you buy the house. As first timers you hold the cards. £30k might be a little optimistic but there's no harm in trying. This is business so be cheeky. Look to get stuff thrown in as a sweetner too, cookers etc all add up in your first move.
6. Brokers are good for your first time as they guide you through the process. I've approached three in the past. In every occassion I've found a better deal myself, despite them all being 'independant'. In the end, I found my own and offered a broker the chance to progress it for me on commission only - me not paying a fee as I found it. Best of both woulds. Getting the right rate is hugely important. For reference the difference between the deal the broker found and the one I found added £10k to the overall mortgage cost and £700 to my up front fees.
Generally - tread with caution with brokers.
7. Can't help with floors
8. Answered above. When selling my own place I'd have offered the lot if required and the price was right.
Hope this is of some help!
All sound advice, thanks. 2. I'd suggest that having the chimney capped and the lower section covered might be an option. I've little experience of this, but actually removing a chimney would be a big job I reckon.
3. Have a look online for a sample homebuyers report. I'm going though a purchase at the moment and had precisely this question. The homebuyers report is IMO a waste of time and gives you little more than a good look around yourself would do. My personal view is if the house is quite new and conventional then don't bother. If it's very old or odd then building survey. Depends upon your attitude for risk. In my case I did my own poke around the loft (OCD is actually helpful here). You can get a damp meter for £7 from eBay - I did. Structurally, cracks, wonky bits, tiles, timbers...
4. Get formal quotes from say 4 solicitors, wack the details into an excel sheet. Make sure you're comparing like for like. The disbursements should be fairly constant across all parties, the actual legal fees should be the only real difference. Note solicitors prices are usually EX VAT, some add on case handling fees etc. Spreadsheet ensures you're getting what you need at the best price. Don't be afraid to haggle. Lots of competition here.
5. You make your money when you buy the house. As first timers you hold the cards. £30k might be a little optimistic but there's no harm in trying. This is business so be cheeky. Look to get stuff thrown in as a sweetner too, cookers etc all add up in your first move.
6. Brokers are good for your first time as they guide you through the process. I've approached three in the past. In every occassion I've found a better deal myself, despite them all being 'independant'. In the end, I found my own and offered a broker the chance to progress it for me on commission only - me not paying a fee as I found it. Best of both woulds. Getting the right rate is hugely important. For reference the difference between the deal the broker found and the one I found added £10k to the overall mortgage cost and £700 to my up front fees.
Generally - tread with caution with brokers.
7. Can't help with floors
8. Answered above. When selling my own place I'd have offered the lot if required and the price was right.
Hope this is of some help!
btcc123 said:
Do you have to live in Bristol as their are lovely places to live with an easy commute.I was born in Bristol and then moved to Nailsea where my parents still live.Have you thought of Nailsea.Clevedon,Portishead they are all lovely places south of Bristol and get more for your money.
Yes we're keeping an open mind but want to be reasonably close to our families as once we have kids of our own that will be a huge plus. We both grew up in South Bristol so a move back that way suits us both. I hate commuting and currently just have a ten minute drive to the office, so that will be a shock once I move a little further afield! Portishead and Clevedon etc are a bit too far away really but we are being as open minded as possible
BRISTOL86 said:
btcc123 said:
Do you have to live in Bristol as their are lovely places to live with an easy commute.I was born in Bristol and then moved to Nailsea where my parents still live.Have you thought of Nailsea.Clevedon,Portishead they are all lovely places south of Bristol and get more for your money.
Yes we're keeping an open mind but want to be reasonably close to our families as once we have kids of our own that will be a huge plus. We both grew up in South Bristol so a move back that way suits us both. I hate commuting and currently just have a ten minute drive to the office, so that will be a shock once I move a little further afield! Portishead and Clevedon etc are a bit too far away really but we are being as open minded as possible
As you are a bit OCD have you thought of a new build as an older house may take a long time to do up and be expensive as you will never be satisfied.
- Because we're now in the "six month countdown", we have started window shopping on Rightmove, Zoopla etc. and in the last 3 weeks we've found just one property that we'd even want to go and view. Is this normal?! Bearing in mind that Bristol is a big city, and we are working with a good budget for first time buyers.
We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
This effectively means your budget is not sufficient for your expectations. It took us quite a while to find our first home (18 months). But I think you will find the "wow" houses will by and large be outside of your price range
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
The chimney above it will still need to be supported and a lot depends on how much of the "making good" you are already doing, i.e. replaster ceiling, redecorate, new floor etc. Allow £2k and you're in the right ballpark if you are including every aspect of making good and rewiring
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
This is entirely down to how risk averse you are and how much work you plan on doing to the property. My view would be to get a trusted builder to take a thorough look for you, I don't like surbeys and think they are of limited value.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
It's the most expensive purchase you are ever going to make, do not scrimp on this element as you will end up tearing your hair out. I would be expecting to pay around £900 + disbursements. Yes it's "just doing searches" but it's also a question of interpreting the results, asking the right questions and negotiating. Talk to RudeBoy on here, he is currently doing some work for us
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
The seasonal variation won't make any price difference and I don't think your position as first time buyers will sway things either. It means that you haven't been through the process before, you may have less access to cash and you may have more problems arranging financing. Yes you aren't in a chain which helps but I think that may only marginally sway things if your offer is the same as someone else and you are in a better position to proceed. It doesn't entitle you to any sort of discount. If the top end of your budget is £270k I think you could sensibly look at properties up to £325k as you never know what offers may be acceptable to some people when they are pressed.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
Yes, you shouldn't have to pay them anything at all if they are working on commission. They are useful for advice and to manage you through the process. Drop me a PM if you want a recommendation
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
[b]For something decent you are probably going to be looking at around £50 per square meter installed. On the average starter home at around 75m2 on the ground floor, assuming you do it throughout will be in the region of £3.5k
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Entirely depends on whether they are built in or not and where they are moving to next or whether they plan on replacing them. I would say it's not normal to leave anything behind other than built in appliances
We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
This effectively means your budget is not sufficient for your expectations. It took us quite a while to find our first home (18 months). But I think you will find the "wow" houses will by and large be outside of your price range
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
The chimney above it will still need to be supported and a lot depends on how much of the "making good" you are already doing, i.e. replaster ceiling, redecorate, new floor etc. Allow £2k and you're in the right ballpark if you are including every aspect of making good and rewiring
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
This is entirely down to how risk averse you are and how much work you plan on doing to the property. My view would be to get a trusted builder to take a thorough look for you, I don't like surbeys and think they are of limited value.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
It's the most expensive purchase you are ever going to make, do not scrimp on this element as you will end up tearing your hair out. I would be expecting to pay around £900 + disbursements. Yes it's "just doing searches" but it's also a question of interpreting the results, asking the right questions and negotiating. Talk to RudeBoy on here, he is currently doing some work for us
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
The seasonal variation won't make any price difference and I don't think your position as first time buyers will sway things either. It means that you haven't been through the process before, you may have less access to cash and you may have more problems arranging financing. Yes you aren't in a chain which helps but I think that may only marginally sway things if your offer is the same as someone else and you are in a better position to proceed. It doesn't entitle you to any sort of discount. If the top end of your budget is £270k I think you could sensibly look at properties up to £325k as you never know what offers may be acceptable to some people when they are pressed.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
Yes, you shouldn't have to pay them anything at all if they are working on commission. They are useful for advice and to manage you through the process. Drop me a PM if you want a recommendation
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
[b]For something decent you are probably going to be looking at around £50 per square meter installed. On the average starter home at around 75m2 on the ground floor, assuming you do it throughout will be in the region of £3.5k
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Entirely depends on whether they are built in or not and where they are moving to next or whether they plan on replacing them. I would say it's not normal to leave anything behind other than built in appliances
btcc123 said:
Yes I agree a commute can be a bit of a pain.Where did you grow up in south Bristol,where do you live now,where do your parents live and where do you work.Then I can tell you my views.
As you are a bit OCD have you thought of a new build as an older house may take a long time to do up and be expensive as you will never be satisfied.
We grew up in Whitchurch and Knowle, parents still there! Currently live and work near Feeder Road/Crews Hole.As you are a bit OCD have you thought of a new build as an older house may take a long time to do up and be expensive as you will never be satisfied.
We're leaning towards Whitchurch/Stockwood but seen very little we like so far. I also really like Emerson's Green but you don't get a lot for your money there.
I love the idea of a new build but they tend to be like shoeboxes from my experience, especially kitchen wise.
We both love to cook and have had 5 years in the world's tiniest kitchen, so we would like something with more kitchen space for sure!
I'm sure we will find what we want eventually! We're 6 months away from being in a position to buy but we are both obsessed with checking Rightmove every day
Muncher said:
- Because we're now in the "six month countdown", we have started window shopping on Rightmove, Zoopla etc. and in the last 3 weeks we've found just one property that we'd even want to go and view. Is this normal?! Bearing in mind that Bristol is a big city, and we are working with a good budget for first time buyers.
We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
This effectively means your budget is not sufficient for your expectations. It took us quite a while to find our first home (18 months). But I think you will find the "wow" houses will by and large be outside of your price range
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
The chimney above it will still need to be supported and a lot depends on how much of the "making good" you are already doing, i.e. replaster ceiling, redecorate, new floor etc. Allow £2k and you're in the right ballpark if you are including every aspect of making good and rewiring
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
This is entirely down to how risk averse you are and how much work you plan on doing to the property. My view would be to get a trusted builder to take a thorough look for you, I don't like surbeys and think they are of limited value.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
It's the most expensive purchase you are ever going to make, do not scrimp on this element as you will end up tearing your hair out. I would be expecting to pay around £900 + disbursements. Yes it's "just doing searches" but it's also a question of interpreting the results, asking the right questions and negotiating. Talk to RudeBoy on here, he is currently doing some work for us
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
The seasonal variation won't make any price difference and I don't think your position as first time buyers will sway things either. It means that you haven't been through the process before, you may have less access to cash and you may have more problems arranging financing. Yes you aren't in a chain which helps but I think that may only marginally sway things if your offer is the same as someone else and you are in a better position to proceed. It doesn't entitle you to any sort of discount. If the top end of your budget is £270k I think you could sensibly look at properties up to £325k as you never know what offers may be acceptable to some people when they are pressed.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
Yes, you shouldn't have to pay them anything at all if they are working on commission. They are useful for advice and to manage you through the process. Drop me a PM if you want a recommendation
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
[b]For something decent you are probably going to be looking at around £50 per square meter installed. On the average starter home at around 75m2 on the ground floor, assuming you do it throughout will be in the region of £3.5k
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Entirely depends on whether they are built in or not and where they are moving to next or whether they plan on replacing them. I would say it's not normal to leave anything behind other than built in appliances
All very helpful, thanks! Though the flooring cost made my eyes water. £50 per sq metre is way above what I expected! Appreciate its all down to room size and quality of flooring though!We have very similar tastes, so it's not like we're disagreeing on stuff, just nothing that makes us say "wow". We are planning on living there for at least 10 years, and starting a family there, so it has to be right. I'd naively assumed that there would be a plentiful supply and I'd have my pick of what I wanted to go and see. Ha! But I'd rather take 6 months to find the ideal place than 6 weeks and settle on something I'm not entirely happy with.
This effectively means your budget is not sufficient for your expectations. It took us quite a while to find our first home (18 months). But I think you will find the "wow" houses will by and large be outside of your price range
- Almost all the houses I have liked, have had a feature fireplace in the middle of the main wall. Being a tech-guy, that's a no-no for me because I'm wanting a wall-mounted TV and speakers in the middle of the main wall. What sort of ballpark cost am I looking at if I chose to get a professional to remove said fireplace and plaster the wall?
The chimney above it will still need to be supported and a lot depends on how much of the "making good" you are already doing, i.e. replaster ceiling, redecorate, new floor etc. Allow £2k and you're in the right ballpark if you are including every aspect of making good and rewiring
- Surveys....so much contradictory advice. I had it in my head that I would get a Homebuyers Report, however have read an increasing number of things online that make me think they're pretty poor value for money, as they don't really do any thorough examination. This leads me down the road of a full building survey which is a costly affair. Any tips here? For what it's worth, we're looking to buy a property in a good state of repair (cosmetically at least) and not a run-down "project" house. I'd like to think I have a keen eye for tell-tale signs of homeowners who don't look after the property, but obviously I have no skills in detecting structural issues, damp or anything like that.
This is entirely down to how risk averse you are and how much work you plan on doing to the property. My view would be to get a trusted builder to take a thorough look for you, I don't like surbeys and think they are of limited value.
- Conveyancing....just for kicks I got some quotes online, I can't believe the variation, for what is essentially the exact same product (albeit different companies' level of service will be better/worse than others). I think the cheapest quote was about £450 all in, with the most expensive being about £950. Is there really that much to choose between conveyancers? From my experience when I worked in a law firm, the majority of what they do is performing searches and preparing land reg docs.
It's the most expensive purchase you are ever going to make, do not scrimp on this element as you will end up tearing your hair out. I would be expecting to pay around £900 + disbursements. Yes it's "just doing searches" but it's also a question of interpreting the results, asking the right questions and negotiating. Talk to RudeBoy on here, he is currently doing some work for us
- Negotiating on property prices.....The absolute top end of our budget is £270k. I'd assumed that as first time buyers we would have a reasonable amount of negotiating power, especially as our price range is probably higher than your average first time buyer. I was hoping we could look at properties listed up to £300k and hope to use our first time buyer status to get down to our price range. Do you think that's reasonable? No-one lists something for sale at the very minimum they'll take, surely? I'd also had a notion in my head that as we will be house-hunting during Sep/Oct, we could hopefully use that to our advantage as people will be desperate to get things over the line before Christmas.
The seasonal variation won't make any price difference and I don't think your position as first time buyers will sway things either. It means that you haven't been through the process before, you may have less access to cash and you may have more problems arranging financing. Yes you aren't in a chain which helps but I think that may only marginally sway things if your offer is the same as someone else and you are in a better position to proceed. It doesn't entitle you to any sort of discount. If the top end of your budget is £270k I think you could sensibly look at properties up to £325k as you never know what offers may be acceptable to some people when they are pressed.
- Is it worth employing the services of a mortgage broker? With so much data available to consumers these days (i.e. price comparison websites) I'd talked myself out of it. Do they genuinely get access to deals/rates that aren't directly available to the public?
Yes, you shouldn't have to pay them anything at all if they are working on commission. They are useful for advice and to manage you through the process. Drop me a PM if you want a recommendation
- Getting ahead of ourselves, but we're saving some extra money on top of our deposit as we desperately want to get a real wooden floor in our living room and hallway. Obviously the cost is massively dependant on the flooring type and the floor area, but in a "normal" sized home, are we talking hundreds or into the thousands?! I'm assuming the labour to fit the thing is a large part of the cost.
[b]For something decent you are probably going to be looking at around £50 per square meter installed. On the average starter home at around 75m2 on the ground floor, assuming you do it throughout will be in the region of £3.5k
- How usual is it for sellers to leave kitchen goods behind? We are moving from a rented flat with all in-built appliances, so if the sellers don't include any white goods, we're looking at quite an expense.
Entirely depends on whether they are built in or not and where they are moving to next or whether they plan on replacing them. I would say it's not normal to leave anything behind other than built in appliances
Muncher said:
Ours was by no means an expensive floor, came in at about £4,200 for 80m2 and we did all the fitting ourselves. The oil to seal it was £140 and the glue that holds it down is about £9 per m2 alone.
Based on the sort of houses I've seen I'm guessing I'm looking at around 12-15 metres for living room so at £50/m would be approx £600-£750. Could maybe get hallway and living room fitted for ~1k all in if I'm lucky and shop around!I can only speak from personal experience and apologies in advance if I'm stating the bleedin' obvious but...
If you've only found one property in the whole of Bristol that meets your criteria, perhaps you need to review your priorities. Personally I've never given a second thought to how any of the houses I've bought have been decorated or equipped. If you're planning on staying for a long time, you can modify the house to suit you later. If it's got dated decor or an old boiler, don't let it put you off viewing, just factor it into any offer you make. Concentrate more on things that are expensive/impossible to change - room sizes, location, garden orientation, school catchment areas, etc.
Mortgage brokers...I have used them, but I've also found my own deals. Saying that, the last time I arranged one, lenders were falling over themselves to give you money so it wasn't difficult to find good deals by yourself. Don't forget to look at things like overpayment limits, etc if you think your saving drive might continue once you've got a place.
Solicitors...do you have friends/colleagues who could recommend one? A good one will have you wondering what you're paying them for; a bad one will demonstrate just how many opportunities there are for them to screw up the process.
Surveys...the lender will do a basic valuation report but these can vary quite a bit in terms of detail and ultimately, they're for the lender's benefit, not yours. Personally, I'd decide which survey to get on a house by house basis - there's not much point getting a full building survey on something still covered by NHBC for example.
Finally, don't underestimate the benefits of getting your hands dirty by going to see a few candidates, even if they don't meet all of your criteria. If nothing else, you'll start to get a feel for what to look out for - cracks, signs of damp, the state of the electrics, etc. It will also allow you to test some of your priorities - you may find you really like a house, despite it not having x or being in y neighbourhood. If you're bothered about wasting peoples time because you aren't quite ready to buy, in a city the size of Bristol there should be plenty of 'open house' weekends.
If you've only found one property in the whole of Bristol that meets your criteria, perhaps you need to review your priorities. Personally I've never given a second thought to how any of the houses I've bought have been decorated or equipped. If you're planning on staying for a long time, you can modify the house to suit you later. If it's got dated decor or an old boiler, don't let it put you off viewing, just factor it into any offer you make. Concentrate more on things that are expensive/impossible to change - room sizes, location, garden orientation, school catchment areas, etc.
Mortgage brokers...I have used them, but I've also found my own deals. Saying that, the last time I arranged one, lenders were falling over themselves to give you money so it wasn't difficult to find good deals by yourself. Don't forget to look at things like overpayment limits, etc if you think your saving drive might continue once you've got a place.
Solicitors...do you have friends/colleagues who could recommend one? A good one will have you wondering what you're paying them for; a bad one will demonstrate just how many opportunities there are for them to screw up the process.
Surveys...the lender will do a basic valuation report but these can vary quite a bit in terms of detail and ultimately, they're for the lender's benefit, not yours. Personally, I'd decide which survey to get on a house by house basis - there's not much point getting a full building survey on something still covered by NHBC for example.
Finally, don't underestimate the benefits of getting your hands dirty by going to see a few candidates, even if they don't meet all of your criteria. If nothing else, you'll start to get a feel for what to look out for - cracks, signs of damp, the state of the electrics, etc. It will also allow you to test some of your priorities - you may find you really like a house, despite it not having x or being in y neighbourhood. If you're bothered about wasting peoples time because you aren't quite ready to buy, in a city the size of Bristol there should be plenty of 'open house' weekends.
Edited by Risotto on Thursday 26th March 16:16
BRISTOL86 said:
We grew up in Whitchurch and Knowle, parents still there! Currently live and work near Feeder Road/Crews Hole.
We're leaning towards Whitchurch/Stockwood but seen very little we like so far. I also really like Emerson's Green but you don't get a lot for your money there.
I love the idea of a new build but they tend to be like shoeboxes from my experience, especially kitchen wise.
We both love to cook and have had 5 years in the world's tiniest kitchen, so we would like something with more kitchen space for sure!
I'm sure we will find what we want eventually! We're 6 months away from being in a position to buy but we are both obsessed with checking Rightmove every day
I was born in Knowle.go along St Johns Lane and turn right up Redcatch Road and half way up yhe hill is Beckington Road thats where I lived till I was 13 then we moved to Nailsea.We're leaning towards Whitchurch/Stockwood but seen very little we like so far. I also really like Emerson's Green but you don't get a lot for your money there.
I love the idea of a new build but they tend to be like shoeboxes from my experience, especially kitchen wise.
We both love to cook and have had 5 years in the world's tiniest kitchen, so we would like something with more kitchen space for sure!
I'm sure we will find what we want eventually! We're 6 months away from being in a position to buy but we are both obsessed with checking Rightmove every day
Whitchurch is fairly near where my Gradfather lived at Stanton Drew and my Granmother lived at Norton Malreward.
Thats quite a nice area around of South Bristol and I agree with Emersons Green,my mother had a new hip at the private hospital there 3 months ago.
There are loads of towns and villages within a short commute to Bristol,lovely countryside and cheaper than in the centre of Bristol.
To show you how things have changed over the last 50 years my parents house in Beckington road cost them £2000.My mothers father who was a farmer gave them £1000 as a wedding present and loaned them £1000 interset free that they paid back in 8 years.What would the same house cost now about £300,000.
Dont tell my 4 children about giving them a wedding present of half the cost of a house these days and the rest on an interest free load.
Anyway good luck and definately buy a house as its will give you a lovely feeling and later childern will be the icing on the cake.
I used these guys for flooring:
https://www.woodandbeyond.com/Engineered-Wood-Floo...
Think I spent about £200 to do the lounge. Fitted myself (easy!). You need not spend £50/mtr.
https://www.woodandbeyond.com/Engineered-Wood-Floo...
Think I spent about £200 to do the lounge. Fitted myself (easy!). You need not spend £50/mtr.
You seem quite determined that this house is going to be where you'll live forever. Theres a 99% chance that it won't be. Make a list of absolute must haves, would be nice, can live without, can deal with, and try compromising a little. You can't afford to be totally OCD while the house prices are going up!
Treat this house as somewhere you'll be living that will anchor you into to the housing market, letting you upgrade easily in a few years time. Sure, pimp it out a little and make it a proper home, but never forget the real value in buying a house is finding a one that isn't perfect, and (in your own time) making it perfect.
If they say they're leaving appliances put it in the contract. In fact, put everything their agent says/promises into the contract! If you make an offer thats accepted think about one of those contracts thats stops them backing out and insist the agent takes the place off their website immediately.
Treat this house as somewhere you'll be living that will anchor you into to the housing market, letting you upgrade easily in a few years time. Sure, pimp it out a little and make it a proper home, but never forget the real value in buying a house is finding a one that isn't perfect, and (in your own time) making it perfect.
If they say they're leaving appliances put it in the contract. In fact, put everything their agent says/promises into the contract! If you make an offer thats accepted think about one of those contracts thats stops them backing out and insist the agent takes the place off their website immediately.
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