2015 Lawn thread

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Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,119 posts

165 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Have you fed it? If not, feed it with a granular feed - don't use a product with weedkiller or moss killer because you don't have either of those problems and it just introduces the risk of scorching. Use a product that is only a feed. Google for Scotts Lawn Builder, and get the summer feed version. For a lawn that size, I'd just weigh out the right amount to give the right coverage and then scatter it by hand, unless you fancy spending £30 on a drop spreader (which is a good tool to have).

Having spread some feed, I'd also get a garden fork and spike the whole lawn. Stick the fork well in, wiggle it about and withdraw. Repeat every six inches over the whole lawn.

Then, get the sprinkler out and give it a good hour. Repeat this a week later. The lawn will start looking much better in a couple of weeks. Keep mowing regularly (once a week or even twice) so that you never remove more than a third of the length at a time. Don't go too short with the mower; I'd say your current length is about right.

In late August or September, it looks like it would benefit from scarifying. It's not too expensive to rent a machine for the day. The lawn will look pretty awful afterwards, but keep the faith - it'll come back stronger than ever. Consider overseeding after scarifying, and water the lawn every day for a week or two (unless it rains of course).

moles

1,794 posts

244 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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What about irrigation for when I rotivate my lawn and start again is it worth laying pipe work in with sprinklers?, have looked at rain bird pop ups and gardina systems and leakypipe but unsure wether it's worth it in on a water meter so this year have got a 3000litre container fitted with a 3.5bar pump set up to use but not sure wether to stick with a single sprinkler on surface or fit leakypipe under soil while it's all up?. Lawn is about 250m2 but an irregular shape.

R8VXF

6,788 posts

115 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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I like my Gardena setup, fully automated so don't even have to really think about it. I do have the luxury of no meter so have also irrigated the beds with drip hose as well.

Cyder

7,053 posts

220 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Thanks for the advice chaps, we had some good rain last night so that should have helped. I'll delay cutting again until tomorrow to let the ground dry a bit and rake then spike the lawn with a fork. Then I'll get some lawn feed and chuck that around.

I'll cut again at the same length and then go a bit shorter next time I think.

Will give it a few weeks and take some pics for comparison.

moles

1,794 posts

244 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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What have you got for your gardena setup?. How big is your garden?.

Squiggs

1,520 posts

155 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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jagnet said:
Imho you're on the right track. Because it was allowed to grow so long and then cut right back, much of the brown that you're seeing is the tough basal leaf sheaths that would ordinarily be far less visible. It also explains why the grass coverage is quite thin.

The new growth looks nice and healthy and the ground doesn't look dry. I'd give the lawn a rake before you next cut it to remove some of the debris.

It will eventually sort itself out, but you can help speed things up and introduce some finer grasses next month. I'd keep lowering the cutting height as you are doing, then in August, provided we're not in the middle of a heat wave, scalp it by cutting as low as you can (the grass will recover from this), scarify or rake heavily to remove all the thatch and break up the soil surface, then overseed heavily (at new lawn rates) with some Lawnsmith classic lawn seed which is a nice blend of dwarf perennial rye, fescues and browntop bent.
My new lawn looks very similar to that that you've replied on .........

I need to top dress mine as there are quite a few low spots despite my best efforts of laying the turf on a level surface.

Any reason why lawnsmiths ornamental mix couldn't/shouldn't be used?

Cactussed

5,292 posts

213 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Cactussed said:
So I've decided to experiment a little.
3 small hollows in the lawn.
1 - filled with topsoil.
2 - filled with topsoil and seeded
3 - filled with topsoil and seeded then covered with clear plastic like a mini greenhouse.
Will keep all 3 well watered then see how they progress over the next 2 weeks or so, ahead of tackling the larger areas that need levelling.
Thought I'd update a little on this.
1. Not much has grown through as yet apart from a few weeds (which surprised me)
2. Plenty of new green shoots popping up. Has had regular watering and lots of sun over the past 2 weeks.
3. Also plenty of new grass shoots (and no more than the uncovered part). Difference is that it required far less watering as the plastic trapped all the moisture in the ground, so much more of a set and forget method (and arguably a good idea pre a 2 week holiday for some patch repairs



R8VXF

6,788 posts

115 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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moles said:
What have you got for your gardena setup?. How big is your garden?.
See this vid for a visual of the garden and the sprinklers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8a6IewepwQ

Got two pop-up sprinklers, a 6 way distributor and the water computer.

AC43

11,486 posts

208 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Cactussed said:
3. Also plenty of new grass shoots (and no more than the uncovered part). Difference is that it required far less watering as the plastic trapped all the moisture in the ground, so much more of a set and forget method (and arguably a good idea pre a 2 week holiday for some patch repairs
Good idea - how did did you attach the plastic sheeting?

Cactussed

5,292 posts

213 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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tent pegs

moles

1,794 posts

244 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Thanks looks good

AC43

11,486 posts

208 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Cactussed said:
tent pegs
Execllent - I just bought a load the other day. Was hoping that would be the answer.

jagnet

4,111 posts

202 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Squiggs said:
My new lawn looks very similar to that that you've replied on .........

I need to top dress mine as there are quite a few low spots despite my best efforts of laying the turf on a level surface.

Any reason why lawnsmiths ornamental mix couldn't/shouldn't be used?
The ornamental seed mix would work fine, but tbh if you're not planning on changing the lawn in that direction with fine grasses only, no ryegrass and a very short HoC (and if you are then give some thought to just starting again) the Classic lawn seed would just be more suitable and easier to look after. The Classic will be harder wearing and have a deeper green colour thanks to the dwarf perennial ryegrass. The SS meadow grass in the Classic is very drought tolerant and good at regenerating.

Either will make for a very good looking lawn at normal cutting heights.

Squiggs

1,520 posts

155 months

Saturday 18th July 2015
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jagnet said:
Squiggs said:
My new lawn looks very similar to that that you've replied on .........

I need to top dress mine as there are quite a few low spots despite my best efforts of laying the turf on a level surface.

Any reason why lawnsmiths ornamental mix couldn't/shouldn't be used?
The ornamental seed mix would work fine, but tbh if you're not planning on changing the lawn in that direction with fine grasses only, no ryegrass and a very short HoC (and if you are then give some thought to just starting again) the Classic lawn seed would just be more suitable and easier to look after. The Classic will be harder wearing and have a deeper green colour thanks to the dwarf perennial ryegrass. The SS meadow grass in the Classic is very drought tolerant and good at regenerating.

Either will make for a very good looking lawn at normal cutting heights.
Cheers - I guess if I had known I was going to become a bit OCD about my new lawn I should have bought better turf or seeded it in the first place.

jagnet

4,111 posts

202 months

Saturday 18th July 2015
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If you are moving to a more ornamental lawn, then the ryegrass won't like a very short cut and it needs more feeding than the finer grasses, so it's relatively easy to create conditions that favour the fescues and bents. Just keep overseeding in spring and autumn. You may find that the lawn looks a little mottled for a while with patches of deeper green from where the ryegrass is surviving better, but keep at it.

With the high proportion of browntop bent in the Ornamental seed mix from Lawnsmith, avoid burying the seed too much as bent seeds really are tiny. They also take quite a long time to germinate.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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Any ideas why I have these brown patches in my lawn? A few years ago I overdid the 4 in 1, could that have permanently damaged the grass?





R8VXF

6,788 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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Looks like it could be red thread, what with the warm and damp conditions we have at the moment. Do you water the lawn in the evening? If so, you should change to watering in the morning so the lawn is not damp overnight.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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I swapped to watering in the morning this week. The worst affected areas are on the side of the lawn that's in the sun pretty much all day long, the shady part of the lawn is lush.

Is there a treatment for red thread?

R8VXF

6,788 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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Thanks thumbup