New boiler, unsure which make to go for.
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rdjohn said:
For the lat 30 years, I have only had Vaillant. That's two boilers. In my view they are the Mercedes Benz of boilers. My current one is 10 years old and has been checked twice and found to be working fine.
I've only had Vaillant boilers since 1999. They have never let me down.mattrosersv said:
Don't want to hijack thread, but my 7 year old external Oil Worcester Heatslave 25/32 appears to have died a death.
Any suggestions on what model to replace it with? I live near Andover, so if there happen to be any local heating engineer folk on here feel free to PM.
Basically the copper flange for the hot water to heat exchanger started leaking and judging from the appearance inside the boiler had been leaking for some time. This caused the electrics to trip in the house. I did have an plumber out who firstly said I needed a new boiler and then on my suggestion to fix the leak and give it a go he replaced the washer hit the reset button and back to life it came.
Been fine for a month then died again. Opened the case to find the same joint leaking due to a badly pitted flange and the rubber washer installed by the plumber perished
I have now fixed the leak and then got a Worcester engineer out who opened the case and he would not even touch it, apparently I need a new boiler.
Now - given water and steam has been sloshing around in the case for a while I would hazard a guess that the issue is electrical so the Controller Box, or PCB (PCB seems to check out OK with multimeter). It all seems a bit defeatist to me to give up on the thing and drop £xK into a new boiler. Problem is I can't find anyone interested in doing a proper diagnostic.
The boiler has done 7 years so I am more than willing to replace it, it just goes against the grain to junk something without knowing what is firkin wrong with it. Am half tempted to have a go myself but don't want to burn house down.. Got as far as failing to get the control box out and can't find any decent instructions anyway so have given up.
Cheers Matt
A fibre washer would probably have been a better choice than rubber. The water passing through that heat exchanger is around 90degrees C.Any suggestions on what model to replace it with? I live near Andover, so if there happen to be any local heating engineer folk on here feel free to PM.
Basically the copper flange for the hot water to heat exchanger started leaking and judging from the appearance inside the boiler had been leaking for some time. This caused the electrics to trip in the house. I did have an plumber out who firstly said I needed a new boiler and then on my suggestion to fix the leak and give it a go he replaced the washer hit the reset button and back to life it came.
Been fine for a month then died again. Opened the case to find the same joint leaking due to a badly pitted flange and the rubber washer installed by the plumber perished
I have now fixed the leak and then got a Worcester engineer out who opened the case and he would not even touch it, apparently I need a new boiler.Now - given water and steam has been sloshing around in the case for a while I would hazard a guess that the issue is electrical so the Controller Box, or PCB (PCB seems to check out OK with multimeter). It all seems a bit defeatist to me to give up on the thing and drop £xK into a new boiler. Problem is I can't find anyone interested in doing a proper diagnostic.
The boiler has done 7 years so I am more than willing to replace it, it just goes against the grain to junk something without knowing what is firkin wrong with it. Am half tempted to have a go myself but don't want to burn house down.. Got as far as failing to get the control box out and can't find any decent instructions anyway so have given up.
Cheers Matt
It's probably salvageable and shouldn't be too difficult to diagnose.
I'd offer to have a look, but South Wales to Andover is a bit far!
Cheers dirkgently, if you are going to be in the area anytime soon let know. I'll PM you my mobile number.
I just found the report from Worcester - I was away at the weekend and while I did speak to the guy I got concussed on rugby tour shortly after and don't remember the conversation.
Turns out the reason that he would not touch the boiler was non adherence to a few Oftec regs which I guess is fair enough - Fire Valve set in concrete... No fire proof boarding around tank (which will be done tomorrow as I sell fire proof boards....
+ a couple of other things..
Not quite sure what to do next.
Matt
I just found the report from Worcester - I was away at the weekend and while I did speak to the guy I got concussed on rugby tour shortly after and don't remember the conversation.
Turns out the reason that he would not touch the boiler was non adherence to a few Oftec regs which I guess is fair enough - Fire Valve set in concrete... No fire proof boarding around tank (which will be done tomorrow as I sell fire proof boards....
+ a couple of other things..Not quite sure what to do next.
Matt
stolt said:
hi, i owndering if anyone can offer advice on a new boiler installation. Our house is about 16 years old and the boiler has been playing up over the last two years (red pop out switch geenrally pops out 9 times a day when the heating and water is on)
The house has a convential boiler, with the boiler downstairs in the utility room and the hot water tank in a cupboard in the hallway and the cold water tank in the loft. We have a pump fitted also in the cupboard to feed water to the showers. oh and its a five bedroom house.
I've seen several threads about worcester bosch boilers having a good reputation. I have a local plumber whos worked on our bathroom a couple of years back and he said they were ok and will pop round and have a look.
are there particular models to go for as i say its quite a large house. Also heard of power flushing, should that always be done and is that something that is done as standard or will people generally cut corners and not do it if they feel it doesnt need it.
Sounds like you've got too much debris in your system and do need a powerflush tbh. Have a look at this article - it will tell you everything you need to know about powerflushing. http://www.0800repairgas.co.uk/blog/central-heatin...The house has a convential boiler, with the boiler downstairs in the utility room and the hot water tank in a cupboard in the hallway and the cold water tank in the loft. We have a pump fitted also in the cupboard to feed water to the showers. oh and its a five bedroom house.
I've seen several threads about worcester bosch boilers having a good reputation. I have a local plumber whos worked on our bathroom a couple of years back and he said they were ok and will pop round and have a look.
are there particular models to go for as i say its quite a large house. Also heard of power flushing, should that always be done and is that something that is done as standard or will people generally cut corners and not do it if they feel it doesnt need it.
kryten22uk said:
Are all boilers these days the condensing type? We need a new boiler too, but I dont want a condenser as dont want the steam/plume issues at the outlet.
Yes, since 2005. In very rare cases you are allowed to fit non-condensing units.If the plume is an issue, you can get plume management kits to divert it somewhere less intrusive.
kryten22uk said:
Are all boilers these days the condensing type? We need a new boiler too, but I dont want a condenser as dont want the steam/plume issues at the outlet.
They seem to vary a lot anyway, I suspect because a lot of systems are fitted by fitters who, like the ones who did my daughter's house, have no idea about system design so the boilers hardly ever run in condensing mode.Well, a big thanks to Dirkgently - Philip - a proper engineer who did come and take a look at my boiler and fixed it.
It makes a mockery of the other couple of guys that came to see it scratched their head and gave me a price for a new one!
My wife now has a smile back on her face and it did not cost me a new boiler!! For this I am very grateful!!!
Matt
It makes a mockery of the other couple of guys that came to see it scratched their head and gave me a price for a new one!
My wife now has a smile back on her face and it did not cost me a new boiler!! For this I am very grateful!!!
Matt
Don't fret Harry, I have just fitted 2x Worcester 30cdi regular boilers in my new home.
I would only ever use "MY" plumber and he swears by them so that is good enough for me.
I should have less issues than most as they are pretty damn simple creatures are regular boilers as the expansion vessel, pump and diverter are all external to the boiler. All it has is a gas valve, heat exchanger, fan and PCB! The pump is a Grundfoss Magna and the valves are Honeywell.
The case is metal, the burner looks beautiful like the bottom end of a well engineered car... and they come with an 8 year warranty.
I would only ever use "MY" plumber and he swears by them so that is good enough for me.
I should have less issues than most as they are pretty damn simple creatures are regular boilers as the expansion vessel, pump and diverter are all external to the boiler. All it has is a gas valve, heat exchanger, fan and PCB! The pump is a Grundfoss Magna and the valves are Honeywell.
The case is metal, the burner looks beautiful like the bottom end of a well engineered car... and they come with an 8 year warranty.
JMC180 said:
Don't fret Harry, I have just fitted 2x Worcester 30cdi regular boilers in my new home...and they come with an 8 year warranty.
When serviced properly annually, otherwise you just have 2 new boilers.Serviced does not mean analyser only and gone in 20 minutes. If your gas safe engineer doesn't need both hands to carry their kit from the van before starting, you aren't getting what you're paying for.
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