New boiler, unsure which make to go for.
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hi, i owndering if anyone can offer advice on a new boiler installation. Our house is about 16 years old and the boiler has been playing up over the last two years (red pop out switch geenrally pops out 9 times a day when the heating and water is on)
The house has a convential boiler, with the boiler downstairs in the utility room and the hot water tank in a cupboard in the hallway and the cold water tank in the loft. We have a pump fitted also in the cupboard to feed water to the showers. oh and its a five bedroom house.
I've seen several threads about worcester bosch boilers having a good reputation. I have a local plumber whos worked on our bathroom a couple of years back and he said they were ok and will pop round and have a look.
are there particular models to go for as i say its quite a large house. Also heard of power flushing, should that always be done and is that something that is done as standard or will people generally cut corners and not do it if they feel it doesnt need it.
The house has a convential boiler, with the boiler downstairs in the utility room and the hot water tank in a cupboard in the hallway and the cold water tank in the loft. We have a pump fitted also in the cupboard to feed water to the showers. oh and its a five bedroom house.
I've seen several threads about worcester bosch boilers having a good reputation. I have a local plumber whos worked on our bathroom a couple of years back and he said they were ok and will pop round and have a look.
are there particular models to go for as i say its quite a large house. Also heard of power flushing, should that always be done and is that something that is done as standard or will people generally cut corners and not do it if they feel it doesnt need it.
If the overheat stat is triggering (red button that pops out), chances are that you have a build up of crud in the system.
So a powerflush is definitely advised.
Not too impressed with Worcester's new range of boilers, but they do have fantastic customers services.
Unfortunately, there are no Toyota or Honda equivalent of boilers. They all break down!
If you can find an accredited Worcester installer, you could potentially get 8 years warranty.
Just be warned, some warranties don't mean anything when the company takes over two weeks to fix a fault! I'm looking at you Baxi!
So a powerflush is definitely advised.
Not too impressed with Worcester's new range of boilers, but they do have fantastic customers services.
Unfortunately, there are no Toyota or Honda equivalent of boilers. They all break down!
If you can find an accredited Worcester installer, you could potentially get 8 years warranty.
Just be warned, some warranties don't mean anything when the company takes over two weeks to fix a fault! I'm looking at you Baxi!
Rickyy said:
If the overheat stat is triggering (red button that pops out), chances are that you have a build up of crud in the system.
So a powerflush is definitely advised.
Not too impressed with Worcester's new range of boilers, but they do have fantastic customers services.
Unfortunately, there are no Toyota or Honda equivalent of boilers. They all break down!
If you can find an accredited Worcester installer, you could potentially get 8 years warranty.
Just be warned, some warranties don't mean anything when the company takes over two weeks to fix a fault! I'm looking at you Baxi!
The case on the new worcs when you need to access the electrics is the most unbelievable piece of sSo a powerflush is definitely advised.
Not too impressed with Worcester's new range of boilers, but they do have fantastic customers services.
Unfortunately, there are no Toyota or Honda equivalent of boilers. They all break down!
If you can find an accredited Worcester installer, you could potentially get 8 years warranty.
Just be warned, some warranties don't mean anything when the company takes over two weeks to fix a fault! I'm looking at you Baxi!
t design. To make it that bad for what, save a pennys worth of screws that a seperate hatch would cost, would make me reject it on principle. I wonder how many installers lose their rag and have to call the wholesaler about the "damaged on arrival" case?BRISTOL86 said:
Friend of mine is in the trade and swears by the Vaillant EcoTec models as the benchmark for quality vs cost balance.
Asking for a recommendation on a boiler is like asking in General Gassing what the best car is.People are often biased/blinkered and tend to stay loyal to one brand!
Vaillant are good boilers, but they are the most expensive and far from perfect. They are nicely engineered and have far less plastic than most.
No idea what their customer services are like.
Ideal boilers are a good middle ground. They had a bad reputation with a previous generation of boiler. But the Logic + range is miles better. Nicely laid out, easy to fit and 7 year warranty as standard. But they are mid range and that's obvious in the quality if some parts.
thansk for all the replies so quickly. the boiler we currently have is a Ideal abeilt 17 years old but upto until then its been going strong and looked after us. i appreciate as with everything that you can never tell what one you ned up with and whether it goes wrong. But interesting to here about issues gaining entry and thigns like that, probably would put me off if i have a issue and plumber comes to look at it and then they want extra because of the headache servicing it.
Rickyy said:
The whole design of modern Worcester's is terrible. I've stopped fitting them because I don't want to work on them in the future!
From reading a trade CH forum the biggest reason they don't like WB is that WB will service and repair their boilers themselves, so doing independent guys out of work.I usually say choose your installer and be guided by him. We used a WB accredited installer to replace the boiler in daughter's house a few months ago.
If I was to be critical, I'd say they might have chosen to be WB accredited as they didn't really know what they were doing, so the famous WB backup is re-assuring for them.
For clarity - no problem with the actual plumbing work they did, but they didn't understand anything about system design, rad sizing etc. They nearly wet themselves when I asked for Nest controller and would only install the WB Wave one (which is fine, but again they had no idea about the way it works).
hi all, ive since had one quote from a plumber that our bathroom fitter used.
what do you guys think of this price.. im going to try to google the boilers see if i can get more info.
the problem we have is the old boiler has thee wires and he todl my wife that all new boilers have four wires and of course he needs to put the overflow to a nearby drain rather than just outside the wall.
we have had a thought about putting the boiler in the loft, it wouldfree some space downstairs plus the wiring means he just has to drop that down and not disturb the downstairs too much which has all been decorated and said that without having t lift out chipboard flooring upstairs he can go up and through one fo mydaughters wardrobes into the loft with the additional wire.
To supply and fit new conventional boiler in existing boiler space in utility room . Including copper, fittings and magnetic filter (magna clean). Run condense pipe to sink. Full power flush to whole heating system, using x800 cleanser and x100 inhibitor.
Brick up old flue hole.
All my works come with 1 year guarantee.
Glowworm 30 hx (5 year warranty) £2200
Vaillant ecotec plus 428 (7 year warranty) £2400
Worcester grecnstar 27 RI (5 year warranty) £2450
he said the works in the loft might be more expensive but unless there are any massive reasons why it cant go there, just dont here of it alot and makes me wonder why i guess a leak means the whole house is ruined rather than just downstairs.
what do you guys think of this price.. im going to try to google the boilers see if i can get more info.
the problem we have is the old boiler has thee wires and he todl my wife that all new boilers have four wires and of course he needs to put the overflow to a nearby drain rather than just outside the wall.
we have had a thought about putting the boiler in the loft, it wouldfree some space downstairs plus the wiring means he just has to drop that down and not disturb the downstairs too much which has all been decorated and said that without having t lift out chipboard flooring upstairs he can go up and through one fo mydaughters wardrobes into the loft with the additional wire.
To supply and fit new conventional boiler in existing boiler space in utility room . Including copper, fittings and magnetic filter (magna clean). Run condense pipe to sink. Full power flush to whole heating system, using x800 cleanser and x100 inhibitor.
Brick up old flue hole.
All my works come with 1 year guarantee.
Glowworm 30 hx (5 year warranty) £2200
Vaillant ecotec plus 428 (7 year warranty) £2400
Worcester grecnstar 27 RI (5 year warranty) £2450
he said the works in the loft might be more expensive but unless there are any massive reasons why it cant go there, just dont here of it alot and makes me wonder why i guess a leak means the whole house is ruined rather than just downstairs.
We had a Bosch Worcester fitted in our current house just over a year ago and its been absolutely fine. Easy to program and we have never had an incident where we haven't had enough hot water. However its only a three bedroom house with three of us living there and one of them is 5 months old!
In our previous house, we had a Valliant. It was also fine, however, the Bosch does have a wireless thermostat and that is much better than the Valiant, which was fixed to the wall. The Valliant was four years old when we sold the house and it showed no sign of going pop.
I think we went for the Bosch in the new house because of the warranty and out of the five quotes we had four of them were Bosch.
In our previous house, we had a Valliant. It was also fine, however, the Bosch does have a wireless thermostat and that is much better than the Valiant, which was fixed to the wall. The Valliant was four years old when we sold the house and it showed no sign of going pop.
I think we went for the Bosch in the new house because of the warranty and out of the five quotes we had four of them were Bosch.
I'm a heating engineer. You don't want a new Worcester; they're a nightmare if they go wrong.
Vaillants are the best boilers on the market, but also the most expensive. You get what you pay for. And under no circumstances have one fitted without having your system powerflushed first.
Vaillants are the best boilers on the market, but also the most expensive. You get what you pay for. And under no circumstances have one fitted without having your system powerflushed first.
bakerstreet said:
In our previous house, we had a Valliant. It was also fine, however, the Bosch does have a wireless thermostat and that is much better than the Valiant, which was fixed to the wall. The Valliant was four years old when we sold the house and it showed no sign of going pop.
Just so you know; Controls have nothing to do with the boiler. You can wire any controls into any boiler. My money would go on the vaill every time.
not quite sure why the wirings an issue; many (most?) plumbers can't cope with anything less than very simple wiring jobs so arrange for a me to fix it for them, either informing the client the spark'll want paying a bit too or giving an inclusive price and sorting me direct. Either way it shouldn't be presented to you as an issue.
not quite sure why the wirings an issue; many (most?) plumbers can't cope with anything less than very simple wiring jobs so arrange for a me to fix it for them, either informing the client the spark'll want paying a bit too or giving an inclusive price and sorting me direct. Either way it shouldn't be presented to you as an issue.
AMG Merc said:
Worcester Bosch all day long. Not that it swayed me but mine came with a 7 year warranty.
You paid for that 7-year warranty, without knowing it, because your installer almost certainly did. Vaillant Ecotec Plus come with a 7-year warranty if fitted by a Vaillant Advance installer, totally free of charge.To be honest, WB seem to be the boiler of choice for the bodger-bridages these days. Crap installers tote the Worcester Accredited badge (which, I should add, is absolutely no mark of a quality installer, only a mark of how many boilers they install, not how well they install them.) The truth is that most of the range is plastic filled crap, terrible and expensive to repair, a manufacturer-only fault system on the new compacts. The CDi Classics aren't bad, but for the same money you could get a top end Vaillant.
There's a reason why every heating engineer I know has a Vaillant in their own house, regardless of what they fit. A lot of installers fit the boiler from whatever manufacturer has the best kickback scheme; Ideal being a notable one. Crap boilers, but great kickbacks, aka a lot of engineers fit them.
thanks for all the replies on this. I never spoke to the plumber but hopefully i can get him round at the weekend so i can have a chat.
dont a boiler need a outside wall or i guess it can go up through the top of the cupboard into the loft out the roof.
anyone by any chance have that particular valiant ecotec plus 428 fitted?
everyone has mentioned making sure about the powerflush. I guess the cleaners etc are recognised by most of the enigneers on here as godo to use.
thanks
dont a boiler need a outside wall or i guess it can go up through the top of the cupboard into the loft out the roof.
anyone by any chance have that particular valiant ecotec plus 428 fitted?
everyone has mentioned making sure about the powerflush. I guess the cleaners etc are recognised by most of the enigneers on here as godo to use.
thanks
i was looking for reviews and cam across this....
The ecoTEC Pro 28HE part of Vaillants entry level combination boiler range is ideally suited to 2/3 bedroom semi-detached homes with 1 bathroom and an en-suite. The AquaComfort system used by this high efficiency combi provides impressive hot water performance, delivering instant hot water at constant temperatures.
one its combi boiler and i have a hot water tank up there, secondly the blurb says ideally suited to a 2/3 house whereas mine is a 5 bed house with two receptions rooms, so perhaps needs to have a more heavy duty boiler.
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