Urgent advice over pointing getting threatened by contractor
Discussion
RichB said:
either way, there's still a lot of grit in that pointing.
Grit (as in hard particles) are not a problem in a mortar mix (think about concrete) - lumps of unmixed cement and/or lime however end up getting washed out.Edited to say: Looking at the new photos I would say it's a bit unsightly but nothing to worry about.
Edited by dickymint on Friday 17th April 16:05
Spudler said:
stuart313 said:
Without trying to sound a dick, I have never seen a plasterer mix sand with anything.
The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
We'll you've managed it.The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
You obviously don't work in the building industry otherwise you would have seen plastering/sharp sand.
What do you think is mixed with cement to render walls with?
A plumber who can wire boilers doesn't go into the wholesalers and ask for a bit of plumbing cable.
stuart313 said:
Spudler said:
stuart313 said:
Without trying to sound a dick, I have never seen a plasterer mix sand with anything.
The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
We'll you've managed it.The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
You obviously don't work in the building industry otherwise you would have seen plastering/sharp sand.
What do you think is mixed with cement to render walls with?
A plumber who can wire boilers doesn't go into the wholesalers and ask for a bit of plumbing cable.
Sometimes when you've dug yourself a hole, it's best to stop digging.
Edited by Neil - YVM on Friday 17th April 19:57
Neil - YVM said:
stuart313 said:
Spudler said:
stuart313 said:
Without trying to sound a dick, I have never seen a plasterer mix sand with anything.
The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
We'll you've managed it.The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
You obviously don't work in the building industry otherwise you would have seen plastering/sharp sand.
What do you think is mixed with cement to render walls with?
A plumber who can wire boilers doesn't go into the wholesalers and ask for a bit of plumbing cable.
Sometimes when you've dug yourself a hole, it's best to stop digging.
Edited by Neil - YVM on Friday 17th April 19:57
stuart313 said:
Neil - YVM said:
stuart313 said:
Spudler said:
stuart313 said:
Without trying to sound a dick, I have never seen a plasterer mix sand with anything.
The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
We'll you've managed it.The job was probably done on a Monday, have you seen the state brickies, and more importantly brickies labourers get into on a Sunday afternoon. They all work on Saturdays and Sunday is the only chance they get to go and get smashed.
Never have anything built on a Monday.
You obviously don't work in the building industry otherwise you would have seen plastering/sharp sand.
What do you think is mixed with cement to render walls with?
A plumber who can wire boilers doesn't go into the wholesalers and ask for a bit of plumbing cable.
Sometimes when you've dug yourself a hole, it's best to stop digging.
Edited by Neil - YVM on Friday 17th April 19:57
Now please stop digging.
It does look like sharp sand, there may have been a reason for using it bit I guess not if he hasn't given it. I have seen mortar mixes give a Similar finish when rubbed up.
A big thing when I see stuff like this is how much was it, if it was cheap then, well there you go. If it was the right money the. It's a different story. Although I will say in this case I'm no expert on re pointing so it's not for me to say right or wrong.
And the bloke above going on about plastering sand
Here's a run down on it for you, from a thick builder x
Sharp sand or grit sand. Will have small gritty stone bits in it, depending on where from some is more gritty than others some can almost be soft wash which btw I hate.
Plastering sand which is actually soft washed sand and it seems it's been named plastering sand by Travis Perkins as I'm fairly certain that when I started years ago it was just called soft wash. This is basically sharp sand with all the grit washed out, used for pointing paving, render as it's harder than pit sand but not as course as sharp sand.
Pit sand, now just seems to be called building sand. Used for brick and block work and not a lot else as it's too soft.
There are other types of sand but it'll be a fiver for more explanation
A big thing when I see stuff like this is how much was it, if it was cheap then, well there you go. If it was the right money the. It's a different story. Although I will say in this case I'm no expert on re pointing so it's not for me to say right or wrong.
And the bloke above going on about plastering sand
Here's a run down on it for you, from a thick builder x Sharp sand or grit sand. Will have small gritty stone bits in it, depending on where from some is more gritty than others some can almost be soft wash which btw I hate.
Plastering sand which is actually soft washed sand and it seems it's been named plastering sand by Travis Perkins as I'm fairly certain that when I started years ago it was just called soft wash. This is basically sharp sand with all the grit washed out, used for pointing paving, render as it's harder than pit sand but not as course as sharp sand.
Pit sand, now just seems to be called building sand. Used for brick and block work and not a lot else as it's too soft.
There are other types of sand but it'll be a fiver for more explanation
m3jappa said:
A big thing when I see stuff like this is how much was it, if it was cheap then, well there you go. If it was the right money the. It's a different story.
It was just over £2300 with the vat for approx 25sqm of pointing on those side walls so guessing pretty premium price! We we're rather surprised with the quality compared to the main house see below!
So can anyone say if these sandy lumps are ok for the price?
Charlie Boy said:
It was just over £2300 with the vat for approx 25sqm of pointing on those side walls so guessing pretty premium price! We we're rather surprised with the quality compared to the main house see below!
So can anyone say if these sandy lumps are ok for the price?
That's not premium, it works out at £15.33 per sq m and is exclusive of scaffold which would make it a lot more. That's at the bottom end of the price for pointing.So can anyone say if these sandy lumps are ok for the price?
What has the work been done on? In your earlier pics the bricks are so poor I'd say it was an old shed, so maybe it got what it deserved.
Like I said earlier 'Grit is ok as it's tough, sand is not.'
ShiningWit said:
That's not premium, it works out at £15.33 per sq m and is exclusive of scaffold which would make it a lot more. That's at the bottom end of the price for pointing.
What has the work been done on? In your earlier pics the bricks are so poor I'd say it was an old shed, so maybe it got what it deserved.
Like I said earlier 'Grit is ok as it's tough, sand is not.'
I calculate it cost over £92 per sqm so not sure where £15.33 came from? There was no scaffolding on those walls just on the main house where they've done a good job. They were supposed to do brick repairs at extra cost on any that needed it but they couldn't be bothered to do that. I just seems they took us for mugs over this part of the job and we've picked them up on it hence them getting aggressive. They are refusing a meeting at the property and run through our concerns so I think they know its crap basically! What has the work been done on? In your earlier pics the bricks are so poor I'd say it was an old shed, so maybe it got what it deserved.
Like I said earlier 'Grit is ok as it's tough, sand is not.'
Renovation said:
stuart313 said:
So why is it called rendering then and not just plastering.
Rendering is applying render.Plastering is applying plaster.
Plasterers do both and generally screed too.
I have 2 mates that are plasterers.
I also did plastering and rendering when I was a youngster.
Charlie Boy said:
ShiningWit said:
That's not premium, it works out at £15.33 per sq m and is exclusive of scaffold which would make it a lot more. That's at the bottom end of the price for pointing.
What has the work been done on? In your earlier pics the bricks are so poor I'd say it was an old shed, so maybe it got what it deserved.
Like I said earlier 'Grit is ok as it's tough, sand is not.'
I calculate it cost over £92 per sqm so not sure where £15.33 came from? There was no scaffolding on those walls just on the main house where they've done a good job. They were supposed to do brick repairs at extra cost on any that needed it but they couldn't be bothered to do that. I just seems they took us for mugs over this part of the job and we've picked them up on it hence them getting aggressive. They are refusing a meeting at the property and run through our concerns so I think they know its crap basically! What has the work been done on? In your earlier pics the bricks are so poor I'd say it was an old shed, so maybe it got what it deserved.
Like I said earlier 'Grit is ok as it's tough, sand is not.'
So yes it does look expensive, but you are being very evasive over what has been pointed, there are two distinct styles of brick and pointing in your pics although this works in your favour if you've been charged that for a pig shed. Maybe they lost on one section and added it onto another It's only fully calculable when you take the whole job into consideration.
The pointing on your house gable is terrible, not the quality, but the style, Heavy, clumsy, a waste of time and material.
someone may correct me, but I don't believe it even has a name, what would it be; planted on weather struck? It's been invented by builders over recent years to well, waste time, material and money....
You must have agreed it with them though.
Edited by ShiningWit on Sunday 19th April 15:05
ShiningWit said:
Sorry you're right, I hit the wrong button on my calculator, it's £76.68 Sqm including everything (scaff, muck, skip etc only if used). You're including the VAT which is wrong as that isn't theirs, it's HMRCs. A labour only rate is usually £15 - £25 sqm + VAT, material, scaff etc.
So yes it does look expensive, but you are being very evasive over what has been pointed, there are two distinct styles of brick and pointing in your pics although this works in your favour if you've been charged that for a pig shed.
Not many pig sheds in Fulham. As said in my first post its for two small side walls and a roadside wall in front of a terraced house. They weren't in the best shape but cheaper than building new ones and saves the complication of dealing with five different owners of flats either side hence why we only did our side of things.So yes it does look expensive, but you are being very evasive over what has been pointed, there are two distinct styles of brick and pointing in your pics although this works in your favour if you've been charged that for a pig shed.
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