Big Outbuilding In Neighbours Garden

Big Outbuilding In Neighbours Garden

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anonymous-user

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53 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Alex@POD said:
Actually, it doesn't fail on anything, not yet anyway. The rules state that if it is over a certain size, close to your boundary and made of principally combustible materials, then building regs apply. That just means he has to board the inside in fireproof materials and provide big enough doors to escape, that kind of thing. It doesn't mean it's going to be illegal.
It might fail on this (from Planning Portal) - If an outbuilding is within 2m of the property boundary it should not exceed 2.5m in height.

I don't object to the building per se; I object to it being so close when there is plenty of space elsewhere in their garden to site it.

HotJambalaya

2,023 posts

179 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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shed war? Build a bigger shed right next to his

BlueMeganeII

338 posts

158 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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To be honest I thought it would be some great big two story log cabin looking into your property. However like that, I can't see the issue to be honest. Why get upset over that. Maybe some guttering over the rear? To me it doesn't look like its anywhere near approaching 3 metres tall but I'll take your word for it. If anything that's going to give you move privacy as they can't get anywhere near the exposed fence even at this stage.

BlueMeganeII

338 posts

158 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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When you do have a chat can you ask neighbour to do a build thread biggrin

Alex@POD

6,133 posts

214 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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abitlikefiennes said:
Alex@POD said:
Actually, it doesn't fail on anything, not yet anyway. The rules state that if it is over a certain size, close to your boundary and made of principally combustible materials, then building regs apply. That just means he has to board the inside in fireproof materials and provide big enough doors to escape, that kind of thing. It doesn't mean it's going to be illegal.
It might fail on this (from Planning Portal) - If an outbuilding is within 2m of the property boundary it should not exceed 2.5m in height.

I don't object to the building per se; I object to it being so close when there is plenty of space elsewhere in their garden to site it.
Again (and I'm not trying to rile you up, just pointing things out), that only means he needs planning permission, not that it's illegal.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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You could get a gutter up and put his rain into a water butt for your lawn?

Trophy200

226 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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What would worry me more is the likely end use for this building.

It looks capable of housing some serious and possibly noisy kit which, given his stated occupation earlier in the thread, suggests this may be a joinery workshop.

Not sure I'd like that so close to my property.

Just a thought.

Trophy200

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Trophy200 said:
What would worry me more is the likely end use for this building.

It looks capable of housing some serious and possibly noisy kit which, given his stated occupation earlier in the thread, suggests this may be a joinery workshop.

Not sure I'd like that so close to my property.

Just a thought.

Trophy200
This was my first thought too, which is why I want to nip it in the bud sooner rather than later. He's a carpenter by trade and works off site at the local prison but I bet you any money this is going to be a workshop.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Alex@POD said:
abitlikefiennes said:
Alex@POD said:
Actually, it doesn't fail on anything, not yet anyway. The rules state that if it is over a certain size, close to your boundary and made of principally combustible materials, then building regs apply. That just means he has to board the inside in fireproof materials and provide big enough doors to escape, that kind of thing. It doesn't mean it's going to be illegal.
It might fail on this (from Planning Portal) - If an outbuilding is within 2m of the property boundary it should not exceed 2.5m in height.

I don't object to the building per se; I object to it being so close when there is plenty of space elsewhere in their garden to site it.
Again (and I'm not trying to rile you up, just pointing things out), that only means he needs planning permission, not that it's illegal.
That's fine and if he applies for planning permission and gets it then I don't mind. But the fact he hasn't and blithely assumed it's all legit means we haven't had the chance to formally put our thoughts across. Especially in light of what myself and another poster think is the ultimate use for this (see above post).

SAB888

3,230 posts

206 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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abitlikefiennes said:
That's fine and if he applies for planning permission and gets it then I don't mind. But the fact he hasn't and blithely assumed it's all legit means we haven't had the chance to formally put our thoughts across. Especially in light of what myself and another poster think is the ultimate use for this (see above post).
So he definitely hasn't applied for Planning? As I said yesterday, I'd be talking to Planning and if it's an illegal structure, they can enforce removal of it. It's fairly certain that the LA will find out about it one way or another and it's better for all concerned to do it properly. It seems too big to get away without Planning.

Edited by SAB888 on Wednesday 27th May 19:58

anonymous-user

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53 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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SAB888 said:
So he definitely hasn't applied for Planning? As I said yesterday, I'd be talking to Planning and if it's an illegal structure, they can enforse removal of it. It's fairly certain that the LA will find out about it one way or another and it's better for all concerned to do it properly. It seems too big to get away without Planning.
Definitely no planning applied for. Checked the city council website yesterday and the most recent application for this road was for our other neighbours brick extension which was built earlier this year and isn't near our boundary. Before that was even started all the households were sent a letter outlining the plans and telling us where they could be seen etc., so I would say that as we haven't received any such notice in this instance then he hasn't gone through any official channels.

I contacted the LA yesterday. I'll pop a note through their door tomorrow politely outlining our concerns so they have a tangible record of the points we want raised.

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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abitlikefiennes said:
Alex@POD said:
Actually, it doesn't fail on anything, not yet anyway. The rules state that if it is over a certain size, close to your boundary and made of principally combustible materials, then building regs apply. That just means he has to board the inside in fireproof materials and provide big enough doors to escape, that kind of thing. It doesn't mean it's going to be illegal.
It might fail on this (from Planning Portal) - If an outbuilding is within 2m of the property boundary it should not exceed 2.5m in height.

I don't object to the building per se; I object to it being so close when there is plenty of space elsewhere in their garden to site it.
NB, page one of this thread:
Busa mav said:
ok,
Planning.
Its over 2.5m high and it is within 2m of the boundary , It definitely needs planning approval.

Building regs.
Its less than 1m from the boundary , it needs to have the side wall in non combustible material , or be lined internally to provide 1/2 hr fire resistance.

It looks to be more than 30m2 , so it needs building regs anyway.
It's within 2m of the boundary and over 2.5m high so it needs planning. Even if he moved it, it's over 3m high so it still needs planning.
Note 7 and 8:
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common...

(As an aside, AIUI if he'd kept 2m+ from all boundaries and put a duo-pitch roof on then he could have built two of them, 4m high and half the floor area for each without planning or building regs.)

astroarcadia

1,710 posts

199 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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OP, how long is your garden?

Whats the general outlook from the back of the house?

More pics needed!

SAB888

3,230 posts

206 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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abitlikefiennes said:
SAB888 said:
So he definitely hasn't applied for Planning? As I said yesterday, I'd be talking to Planning and if it's an illegal structure, they can enforce removal of it. It's fairly certain that the LA will find out about it one way or another and it's better for all concerned to do it properly. It seems too big to get away without Planning.
Definitely no planning applied for. Checked the city council website yesterday and the most recent application for this road was for our other neighbours brick extension which was built earlier this year and isn't near our boundary. Before that was even started all the households were sent a letter outlining the plans and telling us where they could be seen etc., so I would say that as we haven't received any such notice in this instance then he hasn't gone through any official channels.

I contacted the LA yesterday. I'll pop a note through their door tomorrow politely outlining our concerns so they have a tangible record of the points we want raised.
Check that Planning Permission wasn't submitted within the last 3 years:
Planning permission expires after a certain period. Generally, unless your permission says otherwise, you have three years from the date it's granted to begin the development.


anonymous-user

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53 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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astroarcadia said:
OP, how long is your garden?

Whats the general outlook from the back of the house?

More pics needed!
This is where I look like I'm moaning for no good reason. Before I go further;

a) I'm pretty sure this will be a full-on joinery workshop so there will be all sorts of drilling, sawing, hammering, sanding and all the noise and dust that ensues; and

b) It's still too big to sit it right next to the boundary and wilfully ignore planning consent and the goodwill of your neighbours.

In relation to point a, after some bad news from the hospital today the last thing my wife needs over the next year is a f**king sawmill at the end of the garden.

Anyway, the area in question is in the far left-hand corner of this pic.


astroarcadia

1,710 posts

199 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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I understand you now fear the worst regarding its usage but to your mind at rest......

A local property converted a large outbuilding recently, much like yourself everybody though it would be a workshop full of heavy machinery. Turned out it was being converted into a sewing room for his wife and her friends, complete with kitchenette. The relief amongst neighbours was palpable.

Quattromaster

2,904 posts

203 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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The property behind me built an old concrete garage right up to my rear hedge, not 25 ft from my patio and house.

I have the joy of approx 2-3 hrs every Sunday of him running a chainsaw, as he saws up pallets to burn.

He also, for good measure drives his car up to beside the hedge, opens doors and puts music on so loud he must be able to hear it when chain sawing .

I popped over for a friendly chat, and got told to do one, this guy beats his wife so you can guess his type. So I then emailed the council asking for some advice, what do they do, emailed a copy of my email, to HIM.

I now no longer sit out in my garden at weekends, we just go out. I've no problem him sawing wood, just not EVERY single Sunday, sometimes starting at 7.30 am.

Moan over.

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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^ have a bonfire sat night

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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SAB888 said:
Check that Planning Permission wasn't submitted within the last 3 years:
Planning permission expires after a certain period. Generally, unless your permission says otherwise, you have three years from the date it's granted to begin the development.
I did go back as far as 1996, there's nothing there.

As the other side of the building backs onto the school's playing field I think the angle I'll take with them will be something along the lines of 'Before the school get in touch with you about it, are you aware that your outhouse is too large to be that close to their boundary and also mine?'

randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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abitlikefiennes said:
I did go back as far as 1996, there's nothing there.

As the other side of the building backs onto the school's playing field I think the angle I'll take with them will be something along the lines of 'Before the school get in touch with you about it, are you aware that your outhouse is too large to be that close to their boundary and also mine?'
It's too late for that, you've already asked the Council to look at it, so when you say that, and then a planning bod sticks his head round the garden gate, he will quite rightly put two and two together, and know it was you. Options at this point are limited - you've lost the friendly approach, so I would be tempted to keep schtumm and act surprised when he moans about the Council. Or burn it, obviously. smile