Big Outbuilding In Neighbours Garden
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Our next door neighbours on one side are building what is best described as a large summer house / workshop outbuilding in the back garden. We're fortunate in that where we live the back gardens are quite large and separated by mature hedges and trees, so it's not the size of the building that's the problem.
The issue is that they've decided to build it at the end of the garden where the hedgerow stops and a wooden fence approx 5.75ft high starts, so it can be seen over. The building comes right up to the fence; there's not a handspan gap between our fence and the back wall of this building. Furthermore, the roof pitches down towards our garden and it's so close it looks as if rain will simply come off the roof and over the fence, draining into our lawn. They are equally close to the fence at the back but that backs onto a playing field, so doesn't really bother anyone.
The roof - when finished - will be at least 3m high. It's currently taller than the playing field fence and I've measured that to be 3m tall. The floor area looks quite large too, so combined with the height and proximity, from what I gather some planning regs might be breached or required.
We moved in a year ago and aren't on bad terms with them, nor do we wish to cause ill feeling, but they have enough room to put the building in the centre of the garden rather than right next to the only part of the boundary that can been seen over. They said that they didn't really get on with the previous owners, and I've discovered that may be because they objected to a 2 storey extension that our neighbours wanted to build back in 2009. That would lead me to believe they must be aware of planning regs.
In a nutshell, what would you do? It's not the size but the location, especially where space is available to site it a little further away from the boundary. I'll post some photos later if possible.
Our next door neighbours on one side are building what is best described as a large summer house / workshop outbuilding in the back garden. We're fortunate in that where we live the back gardens are quite large and separated by mature hedges and trees, so it's not the size of the building that's the problem.
The issue is that they've decided to build it at the end of the garden where the hedgerow stops and a wooden fence approx 5.75ft high starts, so it can be seen over. The building comes right up to the fence; there's not a handspan gap between our fence and the back wall of this building. Furthermore, the roof pitches down towards our garden and it's so close it looks as if rain will simply come off the roof and over the fence, draining into our lawn. They are equally close to the fence at the back but that backs onto a playing field, so doesn't really bother anyone.
The roof - when finished - will be at least 3m high. It's currently taller than the playing field fence and I've measured that to be 3m tall. The floor area looks quite large too, so combined with the height and proximity, from what I gather some planning regs might be breached or required.
We moved in a year ago and aren't on bad terms with them, nor do we wish to cause ill feeling, but they have enough room to put the building in the centre of the garden rather than right next to the only part of the boundary that can been seen over. They said that they didn't really get on with the previous owners, and I've discovered that may be because they objected to a 2 storey extension that our neighbours wanted to build back in 2009. That would lead me to believe they must be aware of planning regs.
In a nutshell, what would you do? It's not the size but the location, especially where space is available to site it a little further away from the boundary. I'll post some photos later if possible.
Bottle of red, and a knock would be a good start. Read up on your local planning regs, and drop those half way into the conversation with an "of course the height seems to be a little over Bodgeshire planning regs - have you run that past them" comment before going nuclear. Silliness like putting it on the boundary line so the water flows can be solved by putting a nice sheet of that clear wriggly tin so it all flows back into the wall of the shed. Mention this with a smile, and I'm certain the shed will wander back away from the boundary.
Mostly, be nice, and they might be.
Mostly, be nice, and they might be.
abitlikefiennes said:
The roof - when finished - will be at least 3m high. It's currently taller than the playing field fence and I've measured that to be 3m tall. The floor area looks quite large too, so combined with the height and proximity, from what I gather some planning regs might be breached or required.
Bullet point 3 - http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common...Note that this is for England only (click the drop down for Wales).
Scotland is another country - http://doineedpermission.co.uk/planning-permission...
and http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2011/357/schedul... Class 3A
I can't find it now but I used to have a link that showed exactly what you could get away with in your back garden without needing PP.
They ranged from a small conservatory to a single storey extension covering the entire footprint of the garden, no matter how large that may be!
That said, IIRC the overriding factor in all of them was the height and I'm pretty sure your neighbours building, at 3m or so, is too high to get away with not needing PP.
Have a go on Google to find the maximum permitted height that doesn't require PP because I think that is the only thing you will be able to complain about.
They ranged from a small conservatory to a single storey extension covering the entire footprint of the garden, no matter how large that may be!
That said, IIRC the overriding factor in all of them was the height and I'm pretty sure your neighbours building, at 3m or so, is too high to get away with not needing PP.
Have a go on Google to find the maximum permitted height that doesn't require PP because I think that is the only thing you will be able to complain about.
Centurion07 said:
I can't find it now but I used to have a link that showed exactly what you could get away with in your back garden without needing PP.
this one: http://planningjungle.com/wp-content/uploads/Part-... ?That close to the property boundry the maximum height to the eaves is 2.4m. Also if the footprint is over 30m2 then the building need to be inspected by Building Control. The measurement is from their side so if you are on a slope it may appear a lot higher to you.
Have a look on the planning portal it is all covered quite simply.
...and yes you can cover 90% of you garden with a shed but it needs to have a low roof...
Have a look on the planning portal it is all covered quite simply.
...and yes you can cover 90% of you garden with a shed but it needs to have a low roof...
TA14 said:
Centurion07 said:
I can't find it now but I used to have a link that showed exactly what you could get away with in your back garden without needing PP.
this one: http://planningjungle.com/wp-content/uploads/Part-... ?Some absolute horrors on there aren't there?
alex_rsa said:
That close to the property boundry the maximum height to the eaves is 2.4m. Also if the footprint is over 30m2 then the building need to be inspected by Building Control. The measurement is from their side so if you are on a slope it may appear a lot higher to you.
Have a look on the planning portal it is all covered quite simply.
...and yes you can cover 90% of you garden with a shed but it needs to have a low roof...
Cheshire East: Outbuildings and other additions must not exceed 50% of the total area of land around the original house... .Have a look on the planning portal it is all covered quite simply.
...and yes you can cover 90% of you garden with a shed but it needs to have a low roof...
TA14 said:
Some of these are hilarious!We are hoping to erect a summer house in our garden (Scotland) due to the size planning permission is required, it is 3m x 3m, from memory a 8' x 6' shed which is being replaced by the summerhouse is about as big as you can erect without permission.
Additionally the summer house must be at least 1m from any boundary.
Additionally the summer house must be at least 1m from any boundary.
TA14 said:
Centurion07 said:
I can't find it now but I used to have a link that showed exactly what you could get away with in your back garden without needing PP.
this one: http://planningjungle.com/wp-content/uploads/Part-... ?onomatopoeia said:
bobtail4x4 said:
it needs to be a metre from the boundary and under 30m2 to be exempt B Regs anyway.
I think the metre from the boundary only applies if it constructed from combustible material.
ok,
Planning.
Its over 2.5m high and it is within 2m of the boundary , It definitely needs planning approval.
Building regs.
Its less than 1m from the boundary , it needs to have the side wall in non combustible material , or be lined internally to provide 1/2 hr fire resistance.
It looks to be more than 30m2 , so it needs building regs anyway.
Planning.
Its over 2.5m high and it is within 2m of the boundary , It definitely needs planning approval.
Building regs.
Its less than 1m from the boundary , it needs to have the side wall in non combustible material , or be lined internally to provide 1/2 hr fire resistance.
It looks to be more than 30m2 , so it needs building regs anyway.
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