Removing rounded Kerb on my driveway - issues?

Removing rounded Kerb on my driveway - issues?

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Easty-5

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1,423 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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First of all see picture;



I want to have 2 or 3 sections of the rounded kerb replaced with a flat kerb section as at the moment we can't use that part of the driveway to park in without going over the neighbours drive and without kerbing our alloys on it.

The development isn't finished yet and the pavements and rounds haven't been completed. I have asked our builders if they can't change the kerb and they have told us that they aren't allowed to and the council will make them put it back as per the original roads and pavement plan.

So from what I have been told I am going to have to approach the council to address the issue. I assume it will start at my local roads office. Is that correct? Is it likely to be expensive. The top coat of the pavement is still to be done by the developers so hopefully I can get the kerbs replaced before they do that.

randlemarcus

13,519 posts

231 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Yup, council job.

You might be lucky, and it might go through in enough time to make it a trivial little job.

On the other hand, it's a council, so they will probably wait until it's perfect, then send the navvies round with slightly off coloured tarmac, and still charge you the full three grand.

red_slr

17,227 posts

189 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I suspect council wont be able to do anything until its adopted. FWIW they are very slow in doing this at the moment - we are on a new build from 2005 and the roads are still not adopted due to arguments between the builder and council as to the spec.

red_slr

17,227 posts

189 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Oh and yes, it wont be cheap. Council will prob want min of £1500 I would say.

Philplop

343 posts

174 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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We've just had a quote from the council for removing the grass verge and putting in 1.8 metres of dropped kerb. Pleasantly surprised with the price of £465 they came back with. So it might not be as much as you think.

Easty-5

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1,423 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Thanks for the replies folks. I'll call the local roads office tomorrow and see who I need to talk to. Hopefully they will act quickly on it and get it done before the developers finish the pavement.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Looks like a building site opposite.

Do you think anyone would notice if a couple of blokes with hi viz jackets and hard hats did a bit of work on the kerb??

Spudler

3,985 posts

196 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Very unlikely they'll permit removal.

TA14

12,722 posts

258 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Spudler said:
Very unlikely they'll permit removal.
I was thinking why the kerb was there. Presumably to stop drainage onto the highway - a SUDS issue. If you want it removed then I suspect that you'll need to provide an alternative drainage route.

TA14

12,722 posts

258 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Easty-5 said:
I'll call the local roads office tomorrow and see who I need to talk to.
At least that will make life easier for the adoptions officer - instead of having to inspect the whole estate for defects he'll know exactly which house to visit smile

55palfers

5,908 posts

164 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Looks like a brilliant trip hazard.

Easty-5

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1,423 posts

190 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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55palfers said:
Looks like a brilliant trip hazard.
That is another major annoyance. Almost everybody who comes to our house trips over it.

I have spoken to a few people who have suggested using a still saw and just cutting the kerb, but wait until the development is finished and has been signed of by the local authorities. That action obviously comes with risks, not to mention how unsightly it may look.

I'll talk with the council and see where I get. I'm not going to hold my breath for a quick or cheap fix.

Police State

4,065 posts

220 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Can you not dig it out at some point, dig a little more beneath it, and lower it back in?


dxg

8,195 posts

260 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Easty-5 said:
55palfers said:
Looks like a brilliant trip hazard.
That is another major annoyance. Almost everybody who comes to our house trips over it.
It looks like the top layer of the pavement is still to be laid...

Easty-5

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190 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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dxg said:
It looks like the top layer of the pavement is still to be laid...
Yes it's still to be laid which will make it less of a trip hazard when entering the driveway. It'll still be a trip hazard on the way out though. It's not the tripping that bothers me so much, it's the inability to park there when a car is parked infront of the garage without driving over the top of the kerb.

rb5er

11,657 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Easty-5 said:
I have spoken to a few people who have suggested using a still saw.
You mean a Stihl disc cutter?

That would not end up looking nice at all.

Spitfire2

1,918 posts

186 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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TA14 said:
I was thinking why the kerb was there. Presumably to stop drainage onto the highway - a SUDS issue. If you want it removed then I suspect that you'll need to provide an alternative drainage route.
Like maybe the huge drain already running alongside ?

TA14

12,722 posts

258 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Spitfire2 said:
TA14 said:
I was thinking why the kerb was there. Presumably to stop drainage onto the highway - a SUDS issue. If you want it removed then I suspect that you'll need to provide an alternative drainage route.
Like maybe the huge drain already running alongside ?
No, that's the existing drainage. You need to find out whether the pin kerb is there to help deflect water into that drain, to support the footpath, delineate the different areas, some other reason, a combination of the aforementioned...

KTF

9,804 posts

150 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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Removing the two or sections will mean that you have to bump up over the kerb to get to the driveway - which is probably why they have been put in to stop this.

So you will have to speak to the council about getting the drop kerb extended but until the roads are handed over to them by the developer, there wont be a lot you can do about it.

Swervin_Mervin

4,445 posts

238 months

Tuesday 28th July 2015
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I doubt the roads have yet been adopted by the Authority. Therefore, in order to do this, the developer would have to amend the detailed design drawings for that area, which will have formed part of the submissions to date in respect of their S38 Legal Agreement (which is how the adoption ultimately takes place).

So it could be done, but it will cost the developer to get the details changed and even then they may not be approved. Best bet might be to liaise with the Authority direct - if you can get the officer's name that's dealing with this scheme then that would help. Assuming you're then happy to stump up for the developer's costs you could then try and approach the developer to see about getting the changes made to the submitted plans.

Or - wait until the adoption's gone through and pay the Authority to drop the kerbs.

ETA

Having looked again, it looks like the footway level would be higher than the driveway. The highway will not be able to drain into the private drain that runs along the frontage, and it's unlikely the driveway would be permitted to drain into the highway. So it isn't going to be straightforward to achieve a change without changes to the levels along that frontage.

Edited by Swervin_Mervin on Tuesday 28th July 10:50