Our Victorian/industrial/canalside new build thread...

Our Victorian/industrial/canalside new build thread...

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sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Enjoying watching the progress.

I had a look for the USB wall sockets with switches but could only find them for the US, I'm sure they are out there just I can't find them.

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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sealtt said:
Enjoying watching the progress.

I had a look for the USB wall sockets with switches but could only find them for the US, I'm sure they are out there just I can't find them.
Boo! But thanks for the info...no doubt they will be an easy retro fit, or possibly available in a few months time when we're needing them.

jhfozzy

1,345 posts

189 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Hard-Drive said:
Utility room...comparison between the lightweight "thin joint" external wall and the traditional block internal wall...
Loving the thread, build threads are fantastic reading and give me great ideas, to my wife's dismay.

IANAB*, but are you sure you mean "thin joint"? They look like thinsulate (Celcon) blocks to my untrained eye?


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Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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jhfozzy said:
Hard-Drive said:
Utility room...comparison between the lightweight "thin joint" external wall and the traditional block internal wall...
Loving the thread, build threads are fantastic reading and give me great ideas, to my wife's dismay.

IANAB*, but are you sure you mean "thin joint"? They look like thinsulate (Celcon) blocks to my untrained eye?


  • I am not a brickie
Yes, they are (IANAB too!) however the difference is that the joins are much thinner.

From the web...

"The H+H Thin-Joint system combines the Celcon Plus, Jumbo Blok or MultiPlate ranges of high quality, accurately dimensioned aircrete blocks with a specially developed Thin-Joint mortar (called Celfix).

Thin-Joint blockwork enables walls to be built very quickly without having to wait the conventional 24 hours for the mortar to set before further loading can be applied.

Celfix Mortar is cement based and supplied as a dry, pre-mixed powder in 25kg bags. It has been designed to replace the traditional sand:cement mortar. Celfix Mortar starts to set within 10 minutes of application and approaches full design strength in just 1 to 2 hours. This enables blockwork to be built extremely quickly, and in the case of cavity wall construction independently of the outer leaf, which is normally brickwork.

Celfix Mortar is easily mixed on site by adding the appropriate quantities of water. It is applied with a proprietary scoop or sledge, which will create a consistent joint thickness of 2mm.

The Thin-Joint system enables the structure of a building to be built faster and to a better quality, allowing follow-on trades to start work sooner in a weatherproof environment, whilst retaining the flexibility of on-site construction.

Fully adopted as the preferred method of wall construction throughout most of Europe, this innovative and award-winning system is now firmly established within the UK. The Thin-joint system can also be used successfully for commercial projects"


Gingerbread Man

9,171 posts

212 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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herewego said:
Are the inner and outer walls not tied together?
My thoughts too. Not sure I've seen the thin joint before. I would have thought that the courses being staggered would have caused issues.

jhfozzy

1,345 posts

189 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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Hard-Drive said:
jhfozzy said:
Hard-Drive said:
Utility room...comparison between the lightweight "thin joint" external wall and the traditional block internal wall...
Loving the thread, build threads are fantastic reading and give me great ideas, to my wife's dismay.

IANAB*, but are you sure you mean "thin joint"? They look like thinsulate (Celcon) blocks to my untrained eye?


  • I am not a brickie
Yes, they are (IANAB too!) however the difference is that the joins are much thinner.
Awesome, cheers for that. Every day is a school day.

TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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Gingerbread Man said:
herewego said:
Are the inner and outer walls not tied together?
My thoughts too. Not sure I've seen the thin joint before. I would have thought that the courses being staggered would have caused issues.
Yes, both leaves have to be tied together, as per the manufacturer's instructions: http://www.hhcelcon.co.uk/files/download/33-Thin-J...
hhcelcon said:
Helical wall ties are later driven in through insulation as the external brickwork is installed.

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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TA14 said:
Gingerbread Man said:
herewego said:
Are the inner and outer walls not tied together?
My thoughts too. Not sure I've seen the thin joint before. I would have thought that the courses being staggered would have caused issues.
Yes, both leaves have to be tied together, as per the manufacturer's instructions: http://www.hhcelcon.co.uk/files/download/33-Thin-J...
hhcelcon said:
Helical wall ties are later driven in through insulation as the external brickwork is installed.
Yep, spot on. They are tied with helical/spiral ties which look very similar to a drill bit.

"IANAB" to use a previous comment, however looking at the guys who were doing the garage out of conventional blocks and cement, and the guys doing the house using the thin joint methods at the same time, it does seem like a bit of a no brainer. The "ice cream scoop" thing delivers a measured amount of celfix for one block, the scoop is then flipped over to the serrated side (working like a tile grout spreader), the block goes on and it's onto the next one. The wall goes up really fast. The glue is formulated to stay fairly liquid in the bucket, but dries very quickly once applied (and very very quickly if it's a warm day!) There's a lot more block per given area of wall, which I guess is stronger and also more thermally efficient.

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Tuesday 20th October 2015
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Garage scaffolding up, ready for roof joists later this week (weather permitting!)



View from "patio"...lounge on left, kitchen on right, going to work really well with both bifolds open...



First floor joists in and brickwork progressing nicely. Window apertures look a bit odd at the bottom...the extra bricks will be removed when the stone window sills go in.



Feels weird being able to walk around the ground floor and see the actual room sizes!

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Sunday 25th October 2015
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Garage roof trusses up and house brickwork progressing well...



View from porch, through hallway and into kitchen/diner...



I've decided to go for the full PH garage treatment, so the whole lot will be plasterboarded/skimmed, with a plasterboard ceiling and downlighters, it really isn't much additional cost in the grand scheme of things and it's much easier to do it now.



I'm also going to ply board this central area (scale wise you'd need to stoop but you can walk along it) with a large access hatch for storing long, lightweight things (sails etc). I'll insulate it too.



Living room with beginnings of the fire place. Sun coming in nicely through what will be the bifold...

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This will be the patio, and a great little sun-trap it is too. Garage wall on the left, living room bifold centre, kitchen/diner and bifold to the right.



Edited by Hard-Drive on Sunday 25th October 12:28

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Man-Cave block/brickwork (gable ends, corbeling, arches) done. Just needs slate roof, doors, windows and guttering fitting. Weather been pretty crap this week unfortunately.

Oh, and that's not an ornamental breeze block, I have a stonemason turning up next week with an "MMXVI" date stone. Found him on eBay, hand delivered, hand carved, for about half the price of a mass produced cast one. Block out, stone in, jobs a good'un.











roofer

5,136 posts

210 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Quality Brickie cool

What's the name of the brick ?

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Sunday 1st November 2015
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roofer said:
Quality Brickie cool

What's the name of the brick ?
Yep, the brickie has done a great job. The brick is a Northcot brick although not sure which one.

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2015
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Date stone in. Really pleased for £120, and I love the fact it's clearly hand carved and not quite perfect. Makes the building look much older...even though it's saying 2016.



First garage roof slates on. Spanish, not Welsh, sorry purists!


herewego

8,814 posts

212 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2015
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Why is Spanish slate cheaper than Welsh?

foliedouce

3,067 posts

230 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2015
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looking good mate, I think the darker plinth really sets it off. It's detailing like this (IMHO) that will stand the test of time compared to your usual bland homebuild

I will need to tap into your slate source in the not too distant.


minivanman

262 posts

189 months

Thursday 5th November 2015
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I assume spanish slate is cheaper as the welsh stuff is still hand dressed. Great looking build by the way!

Hard-Drive

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4,076 posts

228 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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Blockwork pretty much to full height now, brickwork catching up too...





Scaffolding down on garage...just awaiting the doors.



Meanwhile the scaffolding is going up a level on the house and the roof trusses have arrived. Weather looking a bit moist next week though so we shall see if that halts progress a bit!

roofer

5,136 posts

210 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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herewego said:
Why is Spanish slate cheaper than Welsh?
Much !

herewego

8,814 posts

212 months

Friday 13th November 2015
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roofer said:
herewego said:
Why is Spanish slate cheaper than Welsh?
Much !
smile Thanks but actually the previous answer was closer to my question. I was asking the reaon for the difference in price. Quality of slate cannnot be the reason unless the Welsh suppliers are simply asking more on the basis that it lasts longer or is better finished or it's Welsh or something. They also seem to be largely mechanised so there doesn't seem to be an intrinsic reason for the cost difference.