Yet Another Garage Build Thread
Discussion
Time for some more updates. Not too much happening due to holidays and the fact that my mother took ill whilst away in Scotland and has been in intensive care for the last month.
The ground floor window. The bricks above will make my teeth itch.
The other end coming up to first floor and blocks prepped for room above
The start of the gable ends
The trusses have arrived. The builder has put the first two on. Now waiting for the joiner to get back from holiday. The rest of the trusses are at the top of the drive meaning I have to leave my car on the road. I can now start to see the size of the room above.
An unusual gaff by the builder that had to be sorted. I didn't tell him.
The gables have been finished the joiners will be here on Thursday. A couple of weeks should see it watertight then the rest is up to me.
I'll update next week.
The ground floor window. The bricks above will make my teeth itch.
The other end coming up to first floor and blocks prepped for room above
The start of the gable ends
The trusses have arrived. The builder has put the first two on. Now waiting for the joiner to get back from holiday. The rest of the trusses are at the top of the drive meaning I have to leave my car on the road. I can now start to see the size of the room above.
An unusual gaff by the builder that had to be sorted. I didn't tell him.
The gables have been finished the joiners will be here on Thursday. A couple of weeks should see it watertight then the rest is up to me.
I'll update next week.
Just for reference I've checked some of my figures I put in to building controls for the beams calcs for my opening.
A garage 8.2m wide x 6.5m deep.
Roof tiles / laths / membrane 5500kg
Roof Trusses 1000kg approx
Floor Loading 150 kg/m²
Total roof / floor load was projected at 10700kg - approx 107kN
This ignores the addition for wind / snow loads.
In my case I had 14 trusses with 10 across the main opening. so 28 bearings with 10 on the beam fairly uniformly spaced. Therefore
107 / 28 = 3.82kN / bearing
So 10 bearings 38.2kn or more simply 3820kg. Also a very eccentric loading condition with the inner leaf carrying all the weight. Pressed steel lintels are not good at resisting torsion.
I suspect your loading condition is similar.
Why are the acro's still in place? If the lintel can't support whats in place now what chance has it with 4 tons of roof sat on it?
Get it checked mate, failure is not worth thinking about. If it does need swapping then not to much of an issue now. TBH I'm surprised building control haven't flagged it up.
A garage 8.2m wide x 6.5m deep.
Roof tiles / laths / membrane 5500kg
Roof Trusses 1000kg approx
Floor Loading 150 kg/m²
Total roof / floor load was projected at 10700kg - approx 107kN
This ignores the addition for wind / snow loads.
In my case I had 14 trusses with 10 across the main opening. so 28 bearings with 10 on the beam fairly uniformly spaced. Therefore
107 / 28 = 3.82kN / bearing
So 10 bearings 38.2kn or more simply 3820kg. Also a very eccentric loading condition with the inner leaf carrying all the weight. Pressed steel lintels are not good at resisting torsion.
I suspect your loading condition is similar.
Why are the acro's still in place? If the lintel can't support whats in place now what chance has it with 4 tons of roof sat on it?
Get it checked mate, failure is not worth thinking about. If it does need swapping then not to much of an issue now. TBH I'm surprised building control haven't flagged it up.
Rodintee said:
Just for reference I've checked some of my figures I put in to building controls for the beams calcs for my opening.
A garage 8.2m wide x 6.5m deep.
Roof tiles / laths / membrane 5500kg
Roof Trusses 1000kg approx
Floor Loading 150 kg/m²
Total roof / floor load was projected at 10700kg - approx 107kN
This ignores the addition for wind / snow loads.
In my case I had 14 trusses with 10 across the main opening. so 28 bearings with 10 on the beam fairly uniformly spaced. Therefore
107 / 28 = 3.82kN / bearing
So 10 bearings 38.2kn or more simply 3820kg. Also a very eccentric loading condition with the inner leaf carrying all the weight. Pressed steel lintels are not good at resisting torsion.
I suspect your loading condition is similar.
Why are the acro's still in place? If the lintel can't support whats in place now what chance has it with 4 tons of roof sat on it?
Get it checked mate, failure is not worth thinking about. If it does need swapping then not to much of an issue now. TBH I'm surprised building control haven't flagged it up.
It will be fine once the doors are fitted... as long as they're always kept closed :-)A garage 8.2m wide x 6.5m deep.
Roof tiles / laths / membrane 5500kg
Roof Trusses 1000kg approx
Floor Loading 150 kg/m²
Total roof / floor load was projected at 10700kg - approx 107kN
This ignores the addition for wind / snow loads.
In my case I had 14 trusses with 10 across the main opening. so 28 bearings with 10 on the beam fairly uniformly spaced. Therefore
107 / 28 = 3.82kN / bearing
So 10 bearings 38.2kn or more simply 3820kg. Also a very eccentric loading condition with the inner leaf carrying all the weight. Pressed steel lintels are not good at resisting torsion.
I suspect your loading condition is similar.
Why are the acro's still in place? If the lintel can't support whats in place now what chance has it with 4 tons of roof sat on it?
Get it checked mate, failure is not worth thinking about. If it does need swapping then not to much of an issue now. TBH I'm surprised building control haven't flagged it up.
Not a lot happening this week. Waiting for the joiners to start next week.
I've checked the plans and the lintel is listed as an alternative to a steel beam. I'll double check with the builder. They put the props in whilst the cement was drying. I asked the builder if they could come out and he said they could but may as well leave them in until the roof was on. I have no reason to doubt him as this is the third build he has done for me and the least tricky for steel supports. Best to double check though.
I've checked the plans and the lintel is listed as an alternative to a steel beam. I'll double check with the builder. They put the props in whilst the cement was drying. I asked the builder if they could come out and he said they could but may as well leave them in until the roof was on. I have no reason to doubt him as this is the third build he has done for me and the least tricky for steel supports. Best to double check though.
I have spoken to the builder and he has assured me that the lintel is big enough. He dropped of the spec sheet today.
I have just done the calculations and the load is 22.6Kn. The lintel is rated at 27Kn so I am more comfortable now.
Roof trusses on tomorrow so some progress may be made this week.
I have just done the calculations and the load is 22.6Kn. The lintel is rated at 27Kn so I am more comfortable now.
Roof trusses on tomorrow so some progress may be made this week.
Quite a bit of progress and the latest problem.
The trusses are on at last
The joiner put the first velux in. The roofer told him to take it out.
The roof is now felted and battens are on. The facias soffits and barge boards are looking good.
The roof is on. I was away last week and had ordered a shed load of plasterboards, wood, floorboards etc. to arrive on Friday afternoon when I got home. Mid week the wife told me they had built a scaffold across the front.
This was soon rectified before the delivery. Notice something else missing?
The plasterer came and dumped the sand before my delivery in a very convenient place.
It was raining and windy on Friday so £50 to the tractor guy got two pallets of materials from the road to just inside the garage door.
Most of Saturday was spent moving them around. 30 plasterboards and 30 floorboards are now upstairs thanks to the help of a mate.
Sunday I started the electrics in prep for the door coming on Tuesday. No chance of getting it wired and boarded before as I had planned. I got broken off to do kid duties.
Now comes the problem
The door was fitted looks good and works fine. However I think it is six inches short as it stops at an angle. See Photos.
Sorry for the bad lighting but I don't see the place in daylight during the week.
In my opinion the door should be fully horizontal when open. However I have never paid close attention to this kind of detail before so I could be corrected.
In order to put this right the door needs to be six inches longer and the brackets all need lifting up.
It looks like they have cut six inches off a standard panel to make the top door panel. Not sure why as all the openings the builder has built are exactly to the sizes on the garage door quote. i.e. it could be six inches longer as specified.
The next problem. See pictures:
The brackets that fix the guide rails stick out into the garage. Brilliant if you want to take chunks out of yourself or knock the kids eyes out.
Then there is the fact that no indoor switch fitted despite me leaving a big notice saying where I wanted it which they just moved so they could fit the door. I also have no handbooks or guarantees.
I have rung the door company and sent them pictures. To be fair they rang back and left me a message saying the would investigate with the fitters and ring me tomorrow to get it sorted out. I will wait and see but I have only paid 50% so far.
Any advice on the opening issue would be much appreciated.
Windows and personal door going in on Monday then it is pretty much over to me.
The trusses are on at last
The joiner put the first velux in. The roofer told him to take it out.
The roof is now felted and battens are on. The facias soffits and barge boards are looking good.
The roof is on. I was away last week and had ordered a shed load of plasterboards, wood, floorboards etc. to arrive on Friday afternoon when I got home. Mid week the wife told me they had built a scaffold across the front.
This was soon rectified before the delivery. Notice something else missing?
The plasterer came and dumped the sand before my delivery in a very convenient place.
It was raining and windy on Friday so £50 to the tractor guy got two pallets of materials from the road to just inside the garage door.
Most of Saturday was spent moving them around. 30 plasterboards and 30 floorboards are now upstairs thanks to the help of a mate.
Sunday I started the electrics in prep for the door coming on Tuesday. No chance of getting it wired and boarded before as I had planned. I got broken off to do kid duties.
Now comes the problem
The door was fitted looks good and works fine. However I think it is six inches short as it stops at an angle. See Photos.
Sorry for the bad lighting but I don't see the place in daylight during the week.
In my opinion the door should be fully horizontal when open. However I have never paid close attention to this kind of detail before so I could be corrected.
In order to put this right the door needs to be six inches longer and the brackets all need lifting up.
It looks like they have cut six inches off a standard panel to make the top door panel. Not sure why as all the openings the builder has built are exactly to the sizes on the garage door quote. i.e. it could be six inches longer as specified.
The next problem. See pictures:
The brackets that fix the guide rails stick out into the garage. Brilliant if you want to take chunks out of yourself or knock the kids eyes out.
Then there is the fact that no indoor switch fitted despite me leaving a big notice saying where I wanted it which they just moved so they could fit the door. I also have no handbooks or guarantees.
I have rung the door company and sent them pictures. To be fair they rang back and left me a message saying the would investigate with the fitters and ring me tomorrow to get it sorted out. I will wait and see but I have only paid 50% so far.
Any advice on the opening issue would be much appreciated.
Windows and personal door going in on Monday then it is pretty much over to me.
Alutech garage door ? I thought they mounted on the inner face, as the rubber seals are floating and best partially obscured by the walls. I chose a new Alutech over a Hormann, as thicker, proper bearings in the spring shafts, stainless hinges, etc. They seem to have taken Hormann's design & refined it a bit. They're 50mm thick full of insulation, and made in Belarus !
I can have a look/upload pictures of my Hormann sectional door tomorrow if that is any help. I'm pretty sure it retracts all the way though.
Rather than lifting the door up, could they not just make the rear track longer? I bet they left the track for the standard sized door, without the extra 6" added.
Rather than lifting the door up, could they not just make the rear track longer? I bet they left the track for the standard sized door, without the extra 6" added.
finishing touch said:
No offence intended but,
It's not building the garage that's interesting, but what's built in the garage.
I'll return in a few months.
Paul G
Try looking in the Reader's Rides subforum then. This is Homes, Gardens & DIY, in which some people find this sort of build interesting.It's not building the garage that's interesting, but what's built in the garage.
I'll return in a few months.
Paul G
Rickyy said:
finishing touch said:
No offence intended but,
It's not building the garage that's interesting, but what's built in the garage.
I'll return in a few months.
Paul G
Try looking in the Reader's Rides subforum then. This is Homes, Gardens & DIY, in which some people find this sort of build interesting.It's not building the garage that's interesting, but what's built in the garage.
I'll return in a few months.
Paul G
This
To the OP, looking very good, thanks for posting.
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