First time refurbishment 1960's flat
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Little bit of a resurrection. This purchase has been horribly delayed (we had our offer accepted in September!!) after two sets of buyers of my current flat pulled out. Thankfully all looks to be going through today/tomorrow after a change of solicitor so whilst I'm getting everything together to start work it made sense to try and get some more input if you'd all be so kind. All I can say is i'm very thankful that the vendor was happy to wait on my to sort out my sale, living with the in-laws since December (it fell through on exchange day, the day before I went away for 3 weeks) has been taxing to say the least!
Since December I've been back to laser measure everything and have worked-up some final layouts as per below.
(water/waste stacks in blue, gas incoming in red)
Compared to some earlier drafts this seems to just work so much better.
We've had the kitchen design done to mine/my dad's thoughts/discussions at time of measuring but I welcome some further input, I'll try and get the plans up when home. We're going with gloss white units and black quartz tops, with a lowered dining area on the end of the run. I've already got the oven and hob on order in the Easter sales (Neff) and have picked up a matching chimney this week. Other utilities remain outstanding but we'll have a freestanding fridge although have resigned ourselves to there being too little kitchen space for a dishwasher.
The quote we've got seems excessive however, £2k for 5 base units and 3 wall cabinets! - same at DIY kitchens is ~£1.5k so may just go there for it depending on people's thoughts for quality. Was thinking to get the tops separately (quartz) if anybody can recommend a supplier? - Wren wanted £3k alone for what is ~5m which seemed toppy.
Beyond the kitchen the whole place will need a full re-fit, for key bits we'll get the trades in and do the donkey work ourselves/parents:
- New combi heating system to free-up the space form the water tank/cylinder, including moving the boiler into the new kitchen area (inside upper unit where there is already a vent) and moving the gas meter to the other side of the wall so it's below the boiler in the back of the corner unit. We'll also use the new heating system as a chance to replace/install some new rad's and locate others to where we want them to be.
- Full re-wire as the current setup only has 3 circuits - lights, power and kitchen and looks to be original. Whilst doing this we'll fit slightly lowered ceilings throughout and try and source some dimmable LED spotlights. I think there is a guy well recommended on here but have forgotten the username who I may take up to supply/design this bit.
- Another benefit of a re-wire is we can look to put more sockets in some rooms as some only one double socket in the wrong locations. I'm unsure about running some internet cable at the same time but not sure if its worth it as it isn't a big space and Wifi should suffice?
- We'll renew both bathrooms - new fixtures & fittings etc to be supplied by us, fitted by the plumber and we'll get parents to do the tiling. For space we'll try and add a sliding glass pocket door for the en-suite if possible
- Fit engineered wood floors to living areas and carpet the bedrooms and a tiny amount of lino for the two utilities/storage cupboards.
- New walls and some chased walls will require a skim as well as the new ceilings - artex is peeling so will likely have to remove it
- New doors, frames and skirting throughout
I'm hoping we'll keep to timings as living with the inlaws is a little taxing, hopefully we'll manage on a £15-20k budget (inc. appliances but not furnishings) and manage in 8-12 weeks (evenings & weekends with a week off work to decorate) too!
Since December I've been back to laser measure everything and have worked-up some final layouts as per below.
(water/waste stacks in blue, gas incoming in red)
Compared to some earlier drafts this seems to just work so much better.
We've had the kitchen design done to mine/my dad's thoughts/discussions at time of measuring but I welcome some further input, I'll try and get the plans up when home. We're going with gloss white units and black quartz tops, with a lowered dining area on the end of the run. I've already got the oven and hob on order in the Easter sales (Neff) and have picked up a matching chimney this week. Other utilities remain outstanding but we'll have a freestanding fridge although have resigned ourselves to there being too little kitchen space for a dishwasher.
The quote we've got seems excessive however, £2k for 5 base units and 3 wall cabinets! - same at DIY kitchens is ~£1.5k so may just go there for it depending on people's thoughts for quality. Was thinking to get the tops separately (quartz) if anybody can recommend a supplier? - Wren wanted £3k alone for what is ~5m which seemed toppy.
Beyond the kitchen the whole place will need a full re-fit, for key bits we'll get the trades in and do the donkey work ourselves/parents:
- New combi heating system to free-up the space form the water tank/cylinder, including moving the boiler into the new kitchen area (inside upper unit where there is already a vent) and moving the gas meter to the other side of the wall so it's below the boiler in the back of the corner unit. We'll also use the new heating system as a chance to replace/install some new rad's and locate others to where we want them to be.
- Full re-wire as the current setup only has 3 circuits - lights, power and kitchen and looks to be original. Whilst doing this we'll fit slightly lowered ceilings throughout and try and source some dimmable LED spotlights. I think there is a guy well recommended on here but have forgotten the username who I may take up to supply/design this bit.
- Another benefit of a re-wire is we can look to put more sockets in some rooms as some only one double socket in the wrong locations. I'm unsure about running some internet cable at the same time but not sure if its worth it as it isn't a big space and Wifi should suffice?
- We'll renew both bathrooms - new fixtures & fittings etc to be supplied by us, fitted by the plumber and we'll get parents to do the tiling. For space we'll try and add a sliding glass pocket door for the en-suite if possible
- Fit engineered wood floors to living areas and carpet the bedrooms and a tiny amount of lino for the two utilities/storage cupboards.
- New walls and some chased walls will require a skim as well as the new ceilings - artex is peeling so will likely have to remove it
- New doors, frames and skirting throughout
I'm hoping we'll keep to timings as living with the inlaws is a little taxing, hopefully we'll manage on a £15-20k budget (inc. appliances but not furnishings) and manage in 8-12 weeks (evenings & weekends with a week off work to decorate) too!
I have used solidwoodkitchencabinets.co.uk for most of the kitchen cabinets, and DIY Kitchens for the stuff the others don't do (pull-out units). The quality on the solid wood stuff is exceptional, and the DIY stuff is easily as good as anything from Howden etc. i.e. chipboard construction, which frankly is fine for the likely lifespan of a kitchen.
London Granite Solutions in Vauxhall for your quartz. Helpful folk, good online quote system, and you can go and see it and pick the slab you want. Prices seem pretty much par for anywhere else I could find. I am actually using Zebrano wood from expressworktops.co.uk for the run with the hob, and granite for the kitchen island, as I wanted a mix of feature materials. It’s all personal taste, but I am not a huge fan of quartz/corian, as I find them a little sterile – I like natural materials. But that is, as I said, personal taste. Many granites are the same price as quartz, too.
My spots are coming from EcoLED, E36Guy is the PHer who does them. I have not fitted mine yet, but I can tell you that Guy is really helpful, and the price he will do for a PHer makes these very worthwhile. Tell him I sent you!
I don’t have data cable in my current place, but am running it in the new house as I want to get as much off the Wi-Fi network as I can. Think about things like 4k TV as well. Frankly, if you are re-wiring, run some Cat 6 cable from router position to where the TV/media/games system will be. I’d also run one to the kitchen peninsula so you can work on laptop connected to ethernet. And one to the bedroom for a TV, if you are rewiring anyway. Extra cost is negligible. It’s a small area, but you are in a block so your wi-fi will sometimes be subject to interference from neighbours. Also, we tax our wi-fi more and more – wi-fi central heating, wi-fi lighting control, mobile devices, Sonos, HD/4k streaming & similar. The more you can get off the air, the better your mobile/Wi-Fi only devices will run.
If you are putting new ceilings in, run cable for a ceiling speaker or two. You don't have to fit them, but nice selling point for virtually no extra money. QED do a suitable ceiling rated cable.
Also, make sure your replacement sockets have integrated USB chargers , where you may want to plug a phone/tablet in whilst using it. So bedside, kitchen peninsula. next to sofa etc. Screwfix sell these. I love the ones I put in the flat.
If en-suite is small, think about tanking it as a wetroom and having a vestigial fixed glass screen to avoid splashing the basin and loo. May not be much more expensive than pocket doors etc. Wetroom tanking kits aren’t too expensive, and neither are tileable shower trays.
Doors, I used cheap raw pine doors at about £50 each for my flat. Kept natural, just varnished in a satin interior varnish. They look beautiful with the old wood floors and painted frames/skirting. This may not work as well in a modern flat – but it was cost effective and pretty.
Best of luck!
London Granite Solutions in Vauxhall for your quartz. Helpful folk, good online quote system, and you can go and see it and pick the slab you want. Prices seem pretty much par for anywhere else I could find. I am actually using Zebrano wood from expressworktops.co.uk for the run with the hob, and granite for the kitchen island, as I wanted a mix of feature materials. It’s all personal taste, but I am not a huge fan of quartz/corian, as I find them a little sterile – I like natural materials. But that is, as I said, personal taste. Many granites are the same price as quartz, too.
My spots are coming from EcoLED, E36Guy is the PHer who does them. I have not fitted mine yet, but I can tell you that Guy is really helpful, and the price he will do for a PHer makes these very worthwhile. Tell him I sent you!
I don’t have data cable in my current place, but am running it in the new house as I want to get as much off the Wi-Fi network as I can. Think about things like 4k TV as well. Frankly, if you are re-wiring, run some Cat 6 cable from router position to where the TV/media/games system will be. I’d also run one to the kitchen peninsula so you can work on laptop connected to ethernet. And one to the bedroom for a TV, if you are rewiring anyway. Extra cost is negligible. It’s a small area, but you are in a block so your wi-fi will sometimes be subject to interference from neighbours. Also, we tax our wi-fi more and more – wi-fi central heating, wi-fi lighting control, mobile devices, Sonos, HD/4k streaming & similar. The more you can get off the air, the better your mobile/Wi-Fi only devices will run.
If you are putting new ceilings in, run cable for a ceiling speaker or two. You don't have to fit them, but nice selling point for virtually no extra money. QED do a suitable ceiling rated cable.
Also, make sure your replacement sockets have integrated USB chargers , where you may want to plug a phone/tablet in whilst using it. So bedside, kitchen peninsula. next to sofa etc. Screwfix sell these. I love the ones I put in the flat.
If en-suite is small, think about tanking it as a wetroom and having a vestigial fixed glass screen to avoid splashing the basin and loo. May not be much more expensive than pocket doors etc. Wetroom tanking kits aren’t too expensive, and neither are tileable shower trays.
Doors, I used cheap raw pine doors at about £50 each for my flat. Kept natural, just varnished in a satin interior varnish. They look beautiful with the old wood floors and painted frames/skirting. This may not work as well in a modern flat – but it was cost effective and pretty.
Best of luck!
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 31st March 13:29
kiethton said:
moving the gas meter to the other side of the wall so it's below the boiler in the back of the corner unit.
and manage in 8-12 weeks (evenings & weekends with a week off work to decorate) too!
If there is no isolation valve then only national grid can move the meter pipe work (you then need the supplier to install the meter), get ready for (1) a long wait & (2) a bum raping on price!and manage in 8-12 weeks (evenings & weekends with a week off work to decorate) too!
Thanks for the solid wood kitchen suggestion, we'll likely only be here for ~3 years so durability beyond this is of little concern, especially as the BTL changes have killed off any potential benefits of keeping it L/T so "look" and cost are the main considerations.
Yeah, the gas meter is the biggest issue - I'm hoping the set-up will allow the plumber/boiler guy to move it, worst case we'll have to do everything but that bot which is far from ideal really.
ETA - on the gas meter the movable distance is likely bang on a meter - currently on one side of a stud wall at chest height, will be moved to about the same location on the other side of the wall but shin height...may just be in tolerance according to this: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/...
Yeah, the gas meter is the biggest issue - I'm hoping the set-up will allow the plumber/boiler guy to move it, worst case we'll have to do everything but that bot which is far from ideal really.
ETA - on the gas meter the movable distance is likely bang on a meter - currently on one side of a stud wall at chest height, will be moved to about the same location on the other side of the wall but shin height...may just be in tolerance according to this: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/...
Edited by kiethton on Thursday 31st March 13:43
Harry Flashman said:
I have used solidwoodkitchencabinets.co.uk for most of the kitchen cabinets, and DIY Kitchens for the stuff the others don't do (pull-out units). The quality on the solid wood stuff is exceptional, and the DIY stuff is easily as good as anything from Howden etc. i.e. chipboard construction, which frankly is fine for the likely lifespan of a kitchen.
London Granite Solutions in Vauxhall for your quartz. Helpful folk, good online quote system, and you can go and see it and pick the slab you want. Prices seem pretty much par for anywhere else I could find. I am actually using Zebrano wood from expressworktops.co.uk for the run with the hob, and granite for the kitchen island, as I wanted a mix of feature materials. It’s all personal taste, but I am not a huge fan of quartz/corian, as I find them a little sterile – I like natural materials. But that is, as I said, personal taste. Many granites are the same price as quartz, too.
My spots are coming from EcoLED, E36Guy is the PHer who does them. I have not fitted mine yet, but I can tell you that Guy is really helpful, and the price he will do for a PHer makes these very worthwhile. Tell him I sent you!
I don’t have data cable in my current place, but am running it in the new house as I want to get as much off the Wi-Fi network as I can. Think about things like 4k TV as well. Frankly, if you are re-wiring, run some Cat 6 cable from router position to where the TV/media/games system will be. I’d also run one to the kitchen peninsula so you can work on laptop connected to ethernet. And one to the bedroom for a TV, if you are rewiring anyway. Extra cost is negligible. It’s a small area, but you are in a block so your wi-fi will sometimes be subject to interference from neighbours. Also, we tax our wi-fi more and more – wi-fi central heating, wi-fi lighting control, mobile devices, Sonos, HD/4k streaming & similar. The more you can get off the air, the better your mobile/Wi-Fi only devices will run.
If you are putting new ceilings in, run cable for a ceiling speaker or two. You don't have to fit them, but nice selling point for virtually no extra money. QED do a suitable ceiling rated cable.
Also, make sure your replacement sockets have integrated USB chargers , where you may want to plug a phone/tablet in whilst using it. So bedside, kitchen peninsula. next to sofa etc. Screwfix sell these. I love the ones I put in the flat.
If en-suite is small, think about tanking it as a wetroom and having a vestigial fixed glass screen to avoid splashing the basin and loo. May not be much more expensive than pocket doors etc. Wetroom tanking kits aren’t too expensive, and neither are tileable shower trays.
Doors, I used cheap raw pine doors at about £50 each for my flat. Kept natural, just varnished in a satin interior varnish. They look beautiful with the old wood floors and painted frames/skirting. This may not work as well in a modern flat – but it was cost effective and pretty.
Best of luck!
Thanks for that, much appreciated.London Granite Solutions in Vauxhall for your quartz. Helpful folk, good online quote system, and you can go and see it and pick the slab you want. Prices seem pretty much par for anywhere else I could find. I am actually using Zebrano wood from expressworktops.co.uk for the run with the hob, and granite for the kitchen island, as I wanted a mix of feature materials. It’s all personal taste, but I am not a huge fan of quartz/corian, as I find them a little sterile – I like natural materials. But that is, as I said, personal taste. Many granites are the same price as quartz, too.
My spots are coming from EcoLED, E36Guy is the PHer who does them. I have not fitted mine yet, but I can tell you that Guy is really helpful, and the price he will do for a PHer makes these very worthwhile. Tell him I sent you!
I don’t have data cable in my current place, but am running it in the new house as I want to get as much off the Wi-Fi network as I can. Think about things like 4k TV as well. Frankly, if you are re-wiring, run some Cat 6 cable from router position to where the TV/media/games system will be. I’d also run one to the kitchen peninsula so you can work on laptop connected to ethernet. And one to the bedroom for a TV, if you are rewiring anyway. Extra cost is negligible. It’s a small area, but you are in a block so your wi-fi will sometimes be subject to interference from neighbours. Also, we tax our wi-fi more and more – wi-fi central heating, wi-fi lighting control, mobile devices, Sonos, HD/4k streaming & similar. The more you can get off the air, the better your mobile/Wi-Fi only devices will run.
If you are putting new ceilings in, run cable for a ceiling speaker or two. You don't have to fit them, but nice selling point for virtually no extra money. QED do a suitable ceiling rated cable.
Also, make sure your replacement sockets have integrated USB chargers , where you may want to plug a phone/tablet in whilst using it. So bedside, kitchen peninsula. next to sofa etc. Screwfix sell these. I love the ones I put in the flat.
If en-suite is small, think about tanking it as a wetroom and having a vestigial fixed glass screen to avoid splashing the basin and loo. May not be much more expensive than pocket doors etc. Wetroom tanking kits aren’t too expensive, and neither are tileable shower trays.
Doors, I used cheap raw pine doors at about £50 each for my flat. Kept natural, just varnished in a satin interior varnish. They look beautiful with the old wood floors and painted frames/skirting. This may not work as well in a modern flat – but it was cost effective and pretty.
Best of luck!
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 31st March 13:29
I'll take a look, especially the wet-room idea - The space we have to work with for that will be ~1200 x ~1800 so not especially small but far from ideal. Before you suggested that the plan was a "slab" toilet & basin on one side and a 1200 x 800 tray on the other - the door would be between the two on the wider side. Only issue with the wet-room is that It's looking like we'll need a pumped drainage pipe, for the shower especially - if this is the case it may be a little harder to achieve in a wet-room as being the middle level of a block I can't go down.
I'll look up Guy now, I've an awful plan for the lighting which involves blobs on microsoft paint - think i'll leave it to him to advise. Thinking about it, for the untiliy cupboard a standard small strip light fitting above the door would do as the thing will only house a stacked washing machine & tumble - was going to vent this room and tumble pipe through the ceiling void and sound-proof to minimise noise.
Looking at the London granite solutions site as we speak, may take a trip there on saturday as we aren't far - may make sense to get them to measure when the kitchens in as its not something that you'd ever want to mess up.
Good point on the cabling, currently have a B&W Z3, would be good to see if they did some integrated speakers although can see it potentially annoying the neighbors above though!
Cat cable makes sense, if its open I might as well do it. I presume that the telephone port can be moved/extended easily - would love to have a "services" space together in the hall alongside the fuseboard.
Edited by kiethton on Thursday 31st March 15:06
Glad to be of help! If you’re at London Granite on Saturday I might see you there as we’re picking out the slab for our island.
Services void – I have basically converted one of the WCs to a washer/dryer cupboard, as did not want to traipse all the way down to the utility to do washing, and we are using a spare small bedroom as a laundry room. Means the garage can be a garage rather than be turned into a utility. As the WC has a vent already, this will work quite well – but aren’t modern condensing dryers supposed not to need a vent? Water from washing can then be reclaimed for loo flushes etc, or just drained out of the house.
In terms of annoying upstairs neighbours with ceiling speakers – very good point, actually. We have stuffed the ceilings with acoustic rockwool, but this may not be enough in a flat with upstairs neighbours. I’d do the rockwool thing anyway though, while the ceilings are down. You can instead chase in cables for wall-mounted speakers. Neat solution, frees floor space, less antisocial.
I am having a central space under the stairs for telephone master socket, router/data cabling, and possible for whole house music system as well. Worth a thought. Two ways of doing things really: all speaker wires to one point and a multichannel amp, or each room has its own amplifier. Either could do whole house audio by using Sonos or Chromecast etc, but in a flat, solution 1 saves space...
Services void – I have basically converted one of the WCs to a washer/dryer cupboard, as did not want to traipse all the way down to the utility to do washing, and we are using a spare small bedroom as a laundry room. Means the garage can be a garage rather than be turned into a utility. As the WC has a vent already, this will work quite well – but aren’t modern condensing dryers supposed not to need a vent? Water from washing can then be reclaimed for loo flushes etc, or just drained out of the house.
In terms of annoying upstairs neighbours with ceiling speakers – very good point, actually. We have stuffed the ceilings with acoustic rockwool, but this may not be enough in a flat with upstairs neighbours. I’d do the rockwool thing anyway though, while the ceilings are down. You can instead chase in cables for wall-mounted speakers. Neat solution, frees floor space, less antisocial.
I am having a central space under the stairs for telephone master socket, router/data cabling, and possible for whole house music system as well. Worth a thought. Two ways of doing things really: all speaker wires to one point and a multichannel amp, or each room has its own amplifier. Either could do whole house audio by using Sonos or Chromecast etc, but in a flat, solution 1 saves space...
I missed this thread originally, but it looks like a good project!
If you can get ethernet cables installed as part of the rewire I'd recommend doing so. I found that when I lived in a flat the wireless network suffered froma lot of interference, due to so many networks in close proximity.
If you can get ethernet cables installed as part of the rewire I'd recommend doing so. I found that when I lived in a flat the wireless network suffered froma lot of interference, due to so many networks in close proximity.
Harry Flashman said:
OP - I am on my way to meet Guy at EcoLED this afternoon. I shall report back after seeing their stuff!
Perfect, please do - been a little busy in the office the past few days so havent had a chance.Had the bloody exchange pushed back to next week, apparently contracts and variations for my sale are still with the purchaser and somebody somewhere has lost the NHBC cert with 6 months left on it...something tells me they're all (understandably) pushing BTL completions this week.
I'll try and contact Guy straight after exchange to get it planned out - would hate for him to plan and it fall through again! (although the new purchasers already getting post inc. utilities contracts gives some confidence). Ive been on the website and it looks very impressive, and think I know what I need from the tool but need help planning the lighting layout as i have no idea how many i'll need as per the below (awful) outline plan...
I added a brand new e-bay sourced matching Neff chimney last night for the princely sum of £110 to join the oven and hood arriving tomorrow.
Seperate note, I keep on forgetting to get the measurements and kitchen plans from the car to ping up here - using these does anybody know a good (easy!) programme where I can design fixtures fittings/layouts broadly online and to scale?
Edited by kiethton on Friday 1st April 13:23
I can report that the EcoLED kit is superb. Beautifully engineered, lovely shades (none of this harsh glare you get from cheap LED replacement bulbs, excellent colour rendition) and genuinely several cuts above other stuff I have seen. They think about everything, from design to manufacturing - I never knew lighting components could be so solid, and feel so engineered.
And Guy is very helpful, and knows his stuff. He properly understands lighting design. Far from trying to sell me as much as he could, he told me that my plan had too many spotlights and that we should cut down on the number we use. Very refreshing to deal with.
The spotlights are so well designed and made that they have some hanging as pendant lights above the island in their demo kitchen, and they look fantastic - a shame that the art-like heat sinks will be hidden in our ceilings!
We will be using their lighting throughout the house and garden. Absolutely worth the cost, which given their discount for PHers, is easy to sign off on.
And Guy is very helpful, and knows his stuff. He properly understands lighting design. Far from trying to sell me as much as he could, he told me that my plan had too many spotlights and that we should cut down on the number we use. Very refreshing to deal with.
The spotlights are so well designed and made that they have some hanging as pendant lights above the island in their demo kitchen, and they look fantastic - a shame that the art-like heat sinks will be hidden in our ceilings!
We will be using their lighting throughout the house and garden. Absolutely worth the cost, which given their discount for PHers, is easy to sign off on.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 1st April 22:10
Thanks for the pointers, think I'll leave the lighting up to Guy, was planning under-base unit strip lighting but am 50/50 on the wall units/counters as we only have a very small corner of it (3 units, 2x 300mm and one 600mm corner housing the boiler). Was going to get the sparky to wire a desperate plug circuit, linking to the wall light switch so again these could be controlled from the light switch and dimmable (if possible that is).
Finally back with the car so I'll try and get the plans up this morning
Finally back with the car so I'll try and get the plans up this morning
True. And make sure the under counter lighting can deal with this.
Also, I have never had granite, and am about to. It is a perfect mirror for the under-cabinet lighting, and will make chip LED strip and untidy wiring perfectly visible when switched on.
Also, I have never had granite, and am about to. It is a perfect mirror for the under-cabinet lighting, and will make chip LED strip and untidy wiring perfectly visible when switched on.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Monday 4th April 15:57
Do you envisage cooking while mates are round or when watching the tele? If so, swap the hob onto the breakfast bar which also allows for an extra wall unit where the extractor is. You could also put a double socket underneath the worktop/on the end panel of the bar for when you sit there with the laptop/iPad.
Thanks for the cooker suggestion, had thought of it but was limited by the proximity to the gas connection and extraction.
We were also wanting to allow more people to sit around that run on higher foldable chairs should we need to to eat, else we would have done I reckon - window prevents it being in the corner which was another thought.
Yes, power plug was intended - we were going to render and paint the back of the run facing the living area and include Internet and power points for this reason - also saves the cost of cabinet backs and gives a bit more separation to the space.
We were also wanting to allow more people to sit around that run on higher foldable chairs should we need to to eat, else we would have done I reckon - window prevents it being in the corner which was another thought.
Yes, power plug was intended - we were going to render and paint the back of the run facing the living area and include Internet and power points for this reason - also saves the cost of cabinet backs and gives a bit more separation to the space.
Morning of what should be exchange day and I'm lining up my power-tool shopping list ready....
Would this work for stud wall wood (2x4), skirting, engineered flooring etc?
http://www.screwfix.com/search?search=125spring2&a...
Can anybody suggest anything better for the price?
Would this work for stud wall wood (2x4), skirting, engineered flooring etc?
http://www.screwfix.com/search?search=125spring2&a...
Can anybody suggest anything better for the price?
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