Wood effect ceramic floor tiles...educate me...

Wood effect ceramic floor tiles...educate me...

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Hard-Drive

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Monday 5th October 2015
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We are installing UFH in our new house, and our builder has advised the only two real options with this are either carpet or ceramic tiles. The area is about 80sqm, and he says even expensive engineered oak will eventually "cup".

At the moment, I'm leaning towards wood effect ceramic tiles like this...



...for reasons of practicality and looks. I think the wood effect will work in the kitchen, whereas a more traditional square kitchen tile will look odd in the living room. I can also have the whole ground floor in the same finish which will make it "flow" and look bigger.

However I do have some concerns, and was just wondering if anyone has any experience...

Durability...if a piece of gravel gets wedged under a door will it score an arc? What about a dropped saucepan lid in the kitchen? Dining chairs being "swung" on or scraped back clumsily? Bear in mind the floor is block/beam with a load of screed on it, so it absolutely will not flex or crack.

Warmth...no doubt it will be toasty when the UFH is on in the winter, is it just too cold in spring etc? I do intend to have some rugs etc, will these just become a skidding liability?

Do they look convincing in real life? Or is there too much repetition?

Cost...I've got some samples from an online place with costs of between £18 to £26 per sqm, has anyone got any recommendations? The builder recommends Porcelanosa, but I'm guessing it might be a bit "bend over sir".

Any comments/experience, and of course alternative ideas much appreciated!

Muncher

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249 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Engineered wood works perfectly well over UFH.

Hard-Drive

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Muncher said:
Engineered wood works perfectly well over UFH.
Thanks for this! I'd just taken the builder's comments at face value but the manufacturers seem to confirm what you say. Engineered flooring it is then, as it seems to cover all of my previous concerns.



stanwan

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226 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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Muncher said:
Engineered wood works perfectly well over UFH.
I agree with muncher. It'll be fine as long as its done properly. Similiarly, cermaic tiles can crack and lift if not properly installed with UFH.

For your floor I would opt to glue the boards to the substrate with UFH compatible adhesive from Sika or F Ball.

Make sure you allow the boards to acclimatise to the room humidity and temp before laying - the longer the better.

After install you MUST ensure stability of the environment. Cupping will occur if you let the temp and humdity swing wildly....

furtive

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279 months

Monday 5th October 2015
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I have ceramic wood-effect tiles in my downstairs loo. They look ok. Not sure they would be my choice for a larger area though.

Hard-Drive

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Monday 5th October 2015
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stanwan said:
Muncher said:
Engineered wood works perfectly well over UFH.
I agree with muncher. It'll be fine as long as its done properly. Similiarly, cermaic tiles can crack and lift if not properly installed with UFH.

For your floor I would opt to glue the boards to the substrate with UFH compatible adhesive from Sika or F Ball.

Make sure you allow the boards to acclimatise to the room humidity and temp before laying - the longer the better.

After install you MUST ensure stability of the environment. Cupping will occur if you let the temp and humdity swing wildly....
OK, so assuming it's a brand new build, with first fix happening just after xmas, what's the best plan in terms of actually fitting? The house is presumably going to stay cold and unheated as doors are left open as the guys work away on it, what happens come spring when we move in, or the following winter when the UFH gets used in anger?



stanwan

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Monday 5th October 2015
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Hard-Drive said:
OK, so assuming it's a brand new build, with first fix happening just after xmas, what's the best plan in terms of actually fitting? The house is presumably going to stay cold and unheated as doors are left open as the guys work away on it, what happens come spring when we move in, or the following winter when the UFH gets used in anger?
You want to have all wet trades finished. UFH needs cycling and slowly brought to temp. Store the flooring on raised pallets in the same home to acclimatise. You should avoid shock heating any kind of flooring with UFH - no matter if it is tile or wood or even karndean - it won't react well and will buckle, shrink or crack depending on what you have...

Little Lofty

3,288 posts

151 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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These do a nice range of wood effect tiles:
http://www.marazzitile.co.uk/

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

245 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Go with Karndean if you want wood effect. Or wood if you want actual wood. Either will be just fine with UFH as long as it's all installed properly.

phil1979

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215 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I have just had these wood-effect tiles fitted - Cornish driftwood from Topps. They are actually very good quality, and look very convincing. No problems with repetition. Also, they have quite a rough feel to them which, to me, makes them warmer to the touch then shiny tiles.

As they are in my bathroom, though, I cannot tell you about stone arcs / saucepan drops etc, but they are heavy buggers!









Edit - £50 per square meter, mind


Edited by phil1979 on Tuesday 6th October 14:05

paulrockliffe

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227 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I have this sort of stuff in my kitchen and entrance hall (see build thread) and it's going in my conservatory eventually too. Ours is wood effect, but it's a dark grey so it's obviously not wood. It looks really good without having to try too hard to look exactly like wood. It was about £20 a square metre from a local shop and it's this stuff:

http://www.caprice.ro/eco-dream-edm-sandalo-225x90...

It's great, was easy to lay and pretty cheap.

It's laid onto a concrete floor in a cold room, no idea if there's insulation under the concrete, probably. I have to say if you check it it does feel cold, but not enough to notice through socks. I'm sure it would be a better option with UFH than wood. Wood is a pretty good insulator, so it's just going to slow down the response time of the system isn't it?

Pistom

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159 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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The advice not to go for engineered wood with ufh was good advice.

Yes, if it is done correctly then there shouldn't be an issue but I've never seen it done correctly but seen many jobs where it hasn't.

Spudler

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196 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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And scratch/chip way to easy.

Look nice but need to be fitted by a very competent tiler to look their best.

Spudler

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Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Installation.
Fine cutting straight but any curves have to be scribed by hand first, this can chip the grain...very easy.
Edges are also brittle.
Never heard of problems once completed.
If you go with them, use 2mm spacers, no bigger.

Hard-Drive

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Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Pistom said:
The advice not to go for engineered wood with ufh was good advice.

Yes, if it is done correctly then there shouldn't be an issue but I've never seen it done correctly but seen many jobs where it hasn't.
Hmmm. That's a worry...sounds like you are in the trade or something and know about this?

Spudler

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Tuesday 6th October 2015
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There's a pale line around the edge that will show with wider joints.


Muncher

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249 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Pistom said:
The advice not to go for engineered wood with ufh was good advice.

Yes, if it is done correctly then there shouldn't be an issue but I've never seen it done correctly but seen many jobs where it hasn't.
We are 2 years from installation and have had no problems at all, I'm not sure how you could go wrong unless you don't clean the subfloor properly or don't use the proper adhesive?

GT03ROB

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221 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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They re always having 40% off sales!!

Much as I think their range is fantastic, I do struggle a bit with the price. We are going for this style of tile too, however with the area we are looking at the premium for Porcelanosa adds up to a huge sum.

GT03ROB

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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We've been looking at Mandarin Stone who do similar. The range is not as comprehensive as Porcelonosa so they may not have what you are looking for. But at 20/m2 less it may be an option.

Porcelonosa always seem to have the big sales in January/June also, usually at 40% off.

RedLeicester

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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Karndean.