cheaper to build nice wood garage or rendered breeze block?

cheaper to build nice wood garage or rendered breeze block?

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philcray

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845 posts

202 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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I am looking at building a new free-standing double garage, approx 20 x 20 feet and ideally with a room above. I have seen these fancy oak garages in magazines which look attractive, plus cheaper kit versions which probably look as good with a bit of tarting up.

My question is, does anyone have an idea on the price to build one of these and how this would compare to building a similar sized garage out of breeze blocks? I would not be doing any of the build work myself and the site is currently grass so will require all groundworks etc.

Thanks for any input.

Phil

Wombat3

11,981 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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philcray said:
I am looking at building a new free-standing double garage, approx 20 x 20 feet and ideally with a room above. I have seen these fancy oak garages in magazines which look attractive, plus cheaper kit versions which probably look as good with a bit of tarting up.

My question is, does anyone have an idea on the price to build one of these and how this would compare to building a similar sized garage out of breeze blocks? I would not be doing any of the build work myself and the site is currently grass so will require all groundworks etc.

Thanks for any input.

Phil
If you were building a single story flat roof garage in just brick/block I'd think you'd be looking at £20K+ - garages, worlds most expensive empty boxes frown

Major consideration is position of the building in relation to your boundary & also your house. If its within a metre of the boundary it needs to be under 2.4m tall & built of "substantially non combustible materials" I think.

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Wombat3 said:
If you were building a single story flat roof garage in just brick/block I'd think you'd be looking at £20K+ - garages, worlds most expensive empty boxes frown

Major consideration is position of the building in relation to your boundary & also your house. If its within a metre of the boundary it needs to be under 2.4m tall & built of "substantially non combustible materials" I think.
Can it be taller if it's more than a metre away from the boundary?

V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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A room above precludes the cheap timber garages and unless you are happy with a very small room you will probably need planning (4m restriction on PD)

It will be cheaper to have rendered block than a fancy oak framed building.

You will be lucky to find an insurer to cover a timber garage against fire.

Wombat3

11,981 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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227bhp said:
Wombat3 said:
If you were building a single story flat roof garage in just brick/block I'd think you'd be looking at £20K+ - garages, worlds most expensive empty boxes frown

Major consideration is position of the building in relation to your boundary & also your house. If its within a metre of the boundary it needs to be under 2.4m tall & built of "substantially non combustible materials" I think.
Can it be taller if it's more than a metre away from the boundary?
I believe so, but still need to be single story though

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common... is useful

As with all building, as soon as you get into the realms of needing planning permission then in theory anything is possible. Getting approval for it is another matter obviously. If its going to be done under permitted development then there are stipulations that you need to comply with (one of which is no more than 2.5m high if its within 2 metres of a boundary (2m, not 1m). I also believe that a single story garage of under 30 sq M will not need building regs.

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 24th November 16:42

sidekickdmr

5,065 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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I got planning approved on a 2 1/2 bay proper oak framed garage with the extra half bay being hallway, stairs, and downstairs shower room.

Upstairs is a proper usable room with raised eaves and 2x dormer windows

Build cost for this is looking about 50K bar final fixtures.

Edited by sidekickdmr on Tuesday 24th November 17:12

sidekickdmr

5,065 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Pic here from the planning portal


rfisher

5,024 posts

282 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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This 1m 2m boundry thing confuses me.

My 4m high double garage forms the boundry along 1 side and is 2m away from the other boundry at the back.

So can I knock it down (single brick) and rebuild it where it is but double skin, 4m high or will I need to move it to satisfy what are presumably more recent boundry / height planning regs?

If I want to go over 4m for a second story will it have to be 2m off both boundrys?

Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?


Steve H

5,225 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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rfisher said:
This 1m 2m boundry thing confuses me.

My 4m high double garage forms the boundry along 1 side and is 2m away from the other boundry at the back.

So can I knock it down (single brick) and rebuild it where it is but double skin, 4m high or will I need to move it to satisfy what are presumably more recent boundry / height planning regs?
You can probably "refurbish" it, just don't knock down too much at any one time wink


rfisher said:
If I want to go over 4m for a second story will it have to be 2m off both boundrys?
If you want to go over 4m you will need planning permission, proximity to the boundary then becomes just one of many considerations but isn't necessarily a deal breaker.

rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!

jason61c

5,978 posts

173 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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philcray said:
I am looking at building a new free-standing double garage, approx 20 x 20 feet and ideally with a room above. I have seen these fancy oak garages in magazines which look attractive, plus cheaper kit versions which probably look as good with a bit of tarting up.

My question is, does anyone have an idea on the price to build one of these and how this would compare to building a similar sized garage out of breeze blocks? I would not be doing any of the build work myself and the site is currently grass so will require all groundworks etc.

Thanks for any input.

Phil
Ping me a PM, I might be able to help.

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Wombat3 said:
227bhp said:
Wombat3 said:
If you were building a single story flat roof garage in just brick/block I'd think you'd be looking at £20K+ - garages, worlds most expensive empty boxes frown

Major consideration is position of the building in relation to your boundary & also your house. If its within a metre of the boundary it needs to be under 2.4m tall & built of "substantially non combustible materials" I think.
Can it be taller if it's more than a metre away from the boundary?
I believe so, but still need to be single story though

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/common... is useful

As with all building, as soon as you get into the realms of needing planning permission then in theory anything is possible. Getting approval for it is another matter obviously. If its going to be done under permitted development then there are stipulations that you need to comply with (one of which is no more than 2.5m high if its within 2 metres of a boundary (2m, not 1m). I also believe that a single story garage of under 30 sq M will not need building regs.

Edited by Wombat3 on Tuesday 24th November 16:42
Thanks for the link, trying to work out if I can build a garage/workshop that I can get a 2 post lift into and lift a car without putting it through the roof...

Renovation

1,763 posts

120 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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sidekickdmr said:
Pic here from the planning portal

As you went for planning, were you forced to stay below 4m too as the ground floor appears to be approx 1.9m


Wombat3

11,981 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Steve H said:
rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!
That's (mistakenly) what the bloke down in Reigate with his castle thought.....

sidekickdmr

5,065 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Renovation said:
As you went for planning, were you forced to stay below 4m too as the ground floor appears to be approx 1.9m
They are (as far as I know) standard garage height, they are certainly full size garages, I think its just the scale of the person/car is out a tad.

Steve H

5,225 posts

194 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Wombat3 said:
Steve H said:
rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!
That's (mistakenly) what the bloke down in Reigate with his castle thought.....
I thought he got nabbed within the time allowed? Or did they decide that hiding it in a hay stack counted as cheating? laugh

Renovation

1,763 posts

120 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Steve H said:
Wombat3 said:
Steve H said:
rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!
That's (mistakenly) what the bloke down in Reigate with his castle thought.....
I thought he got nabbed within the time allowed? Or did they decide that hiding it in a hay stack counted as cheating? laugh
They decided that despite him passing the 4yrs as he had deliberately hidden it, it didn't count.

It seemed a harsh decision to me.

Steve H

5,225 posts

194 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Tweaking the rules to suit themselves nono

sidekickdmr

5,065 posts

205 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Renovation said:
Steve H said:
Wombat3 said:
Steve H said:
rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!
That's (mistakenly) what the bloke down in Reigate with his castle thought.....
I thought he got nabbed within the time allowed? Or did they decide that hiding it in a hay stack counted as cheating? laugh
They decided that despite him passing the 4yrs as he had deliberately hidden it, it didn't count.

It seemed a harsh decision to me.
Yeh I watched the programe on that/him, was a nice house, in the middle of nowhere and the council were really going out their way to ensure it got demolished.

Rules are rules, but just such a shame.

Wombat3

11,981 posts

205 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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sidekickdmr said:
Renovation said:
Steve H said:
Wombat3 said:
Steve H said:
rfisher said:
Or should I just ignore all these interfering jobsworths and build wtf I want on my land?
You could try that for sure, four years without anyone bothering and it's yours!
That's (mistakenly) what the bloke down in Reigate with his castle thought.....
I thought he got nabbed within the time allowed? Or did they decide that hiding it in a hay stack counted as cheating? laugh
They decided that despite him passing the 4yrs as he had deliberately hidden it, it didn't count.

It seemed a harsh decision to me.
Yeh I watched the programe on that/him, was a nice house, in the middle of nowhere and the council were really going out their way to ensure it got demolished.

Rules are rules, but just such a shame.
Unfortunately its all about precedent & the problem is that if they had let him get away with it the next thing you'd know would be some developer would buy up a few hundred acres of green belt, apply for planning permission & cite precedent that the council had allowed green belt development elsewhere. If the council wants to defend it they end up in court somewhere & it costs a fortune they don't have.

The bloke in Reigate seems to have known exactly what he was doing & that's also partly why it was never going to end well for him.

rfisher

5,024 posts

282 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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So what is the requirement pp wise if, as in my situation, there's a 4m high garage already existent on a boundary?

Can I leave it at 4m for the 1st 2m and rebuild it higher after that?

Would I have to demolish the whole thing and new build in accordance with current pp regs?

Would a builder know this?

Bit reluctant to ask the pp department just yet.

Don't want to get the aroused, as it were.