Electricity Meter Increased by 5000kwh

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[Sheepshanks]

KaiserDahms said:

Where did you get that figure?

Here: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/... . It's from 2011 but they point out the figure was the same in 2003.

This one is more up to date and has figures for purpose built flats (page 14 - but there may be other useful tables, only had a quick scan): https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/...

[Sheepshanks]

hairyben said:

a meter is basically a very simple device measuring current, a coil picks up a proportional fraction of the current you're drawing which powers a motor that turns the dials, they can go "out of calibration" and under/over read but they don't just decide one day to add a load of back charges!! That is physically not possible!!

Most probably a faulty meter and a dial's slipped or something, possibly been tampered with in the past but thats not your prob.

I suspect he's got an electronic meter, not a mechanical one.

[KaiserDahms]

it is indeed a digital meter and not one with a spinning disc

[dterry]

Esseesse said:

I use between 7 and 14 per day: That's for a 4 bedroom house with energy saving bulbs, 3 full sized people, electric oven, only one TV but it is habitually left on all evening and a significant chunk of the weekend.

Since the issue I had with my meter I have kept a spreadsheet of meter readings taken every 1-3 months - my average is 15-30KWH per day depending on time of year. When the 20,000 excess units appeared on my bill it worked out at approximately 300KWH per day for 3 months - this worked out to a continuous 52amps of usage - the specialist at Eon told me that would not have been possible without a fire!

Eventually they reviewed the bill and reduce it by 24,999 KWH (approx £2600)

[dterry]

KaiserDahms said:

Tried doing some maths to work out if the kwh usage would indicate a high amp figure that wouldn't be possible but I'm getting different figures all the time. Can someone explain how I could work it out if it's possible

Edited by KaiserDahms on Wednesday 10th February 21:21

Obviously usage is measured in watts / amps and varies almost second by second, but to give you a rough idea take the figure you have worked out as KWH per day and divide by 24, then multiply by 1000 - This gives you average continuous watts used through the day.

Then take this figure, and divide by the voltage in your house - Mine is 238

So - example of 20kwh per day......

(20kwh / 24hours) * 1000 = 833 watts average continuous.
833 / 238 = 3.5 amps

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dterry said:

Esseesse said:

I use between 7 and 14 per day: That's for a 4 bedroom house with energy saving bulbs, 3 full sized people, electric oven, only one TV but it is habitually left on all evening and a significant chunk of the weekend.

Since the issue I had with my meter I have kept a spreadsheet of meter readings taken every 1-3 months - my average is 15-30KWH per day depending on time of year. When the 20,000 excess units appeared on my bill it worked out at approximately 300KWH per day for 3 months - this worked out to a continuous 52amps of usage - the specialist at Eon told me that would not have been possible without a fire!

Eventually they reviewed the bill and reduce it by 24,999 KWH (approx £2600)

I use an average 20.5 for 4 bed with 4 people (2teens) PC on 24x7, Induction hob etc

[Mattt]

My usage is apparently quite high (lots of electronic things) - 2 people in a 4 bed: 17.1/day.

That also includes using the immersion as the only hot water (overnight on Economy 7).

[PorkInsider]

My average for June to December was 5.5kWh per day, so nowhere near impossible for you to have only used 2-4kWh per day.

I live alone in a 3 bed house and use gas for heating only. 1 x PC is running 24/7, all cooking is electric.

All lighting is low energy but other than that I make no effort whatsoever to save energy.

I work from home and probably average 3 days per work at my desk, 2 days at client sites so it's not like the house is unoccupied most days.

[Sheepshanks]

Mattt said:

My usage is apparently quite high (lots of electronic things) - 2 people in a 4 bed: 17.1/day.

That also includes using the immersion as the only hot water (overnight on Economy 7).

Just looked at ours for last year and it averaged 18kWh per day. 2 people in 3 bed house but I work from home and wife doesn't work so the house only shuts down when we're in bed. I know our lighting is a killer - put the living room lights and plasma telly on and we could turn off the heating!

[jon-]

My jan was 7.8 kWh / day, but I use an oil filled radiator to heat my home office most days. 3 bed, live alone, gas hot water and cooking.

[hairyben]

Sheepshanks said:

hairyben said:

a meter is basically a very simple device measuring current, a coil picks up a proportional fraction of the current you're drawing which powers a motor that turns the dials, they can go "out of calibration" and under/over read but they don't just decide one day to add a load of back charges!! That is physically not possible!!

Most probably a faulty meter and a dial's slipped or something, possibly been tampered with in the past but thats not your prob.

I suspect he's got an electronic meter, not a mechanical one.

nonetheless, it's still a "dumb" measuring device, it doesn't have the capability to check itself and decide to top the charge up!

[Condi]

To be fair to EDF here, their app allows you to send photos through of the meter and they read it. Zero way of it being wrong really. Once they read it wrong, but they instantly corrected it when they re-read it.

[gazapc]

I live in a 2 bed flat and my electricity consumption was about 2kWh /day last year (slight increase now due to dishwasher install) so that reasoning is a bit silly from the power company.

It seems like you are on it with actual vs estimated readings as that is a typical culprit. No dodgy wiring/unexplained circuits coming out of the fuse box leading to communal spaces etc..?

[Rich_W]

Rather than start a new thread I''ll add my question on here.


Took possession of my flat Friday. Estate Agent informs me at key handover, it's on a Key Meter system for EDF. "The Key is in the flat but theres not much left on it"

Ok, so I let myself in and firstly there's no key in the slot (I'm guessing that's what the slot under the blue button is for) As you can see the display says 71p.




Had a quick look around made sure all the lights worked (some bulbs in the lamps don't) Made sure nothing was left switched on (another thread for the Radiators upcoming elsewhere) Locked up and came home. Went back in Saturday morning, to measure gaps, windows etc. And Display says "debt" 8p. Electrics still work. Went in this afternoon (Sunday) and it now says "DEBT 42p" and the electrics don't work. I've switched off EVERYTHING in the 2 boxes now.

EDF are sending me a Key to top up in the meantime, but long term I'm planning to get it changed to billing meter anyway. Then obviously get it set to a fixed tariff. I'm hoping for less than £30 a month on a 2 bed with single occupancy. Is that likely?

But in the meantime it seems high to me. As far as I can think there's only 2 possible culprits Immersion or the heated towel rail in the bathroom since that doesn't have an on/off switch fitted. Which would our resident electricians think more likely?

Even the door bell is battery powered (and broken! )

[Blue Oval84]

Sounds like the daily standing charge. Once the meter gets below 50p of normal credit I believe it stops collecting (but does build up in the background), then when the lights go out it will show the total cumulative debt.

For now, you need to access the emergency credit assuming you aren't already in it. This should give you about £6 to play with. You'll need to vend the key ASAP though, and don't be surprised when it seems to take back more than you expect because the daily standing charge will be building up a debt in the background...

[Rich_W]

Thanks


Looking at the pic again it does say "E" at the beginning of the number so maybe it's already into the Emergency mode. Theres nothing in the property at all. Checked everywhere. So the key is not here. Plan to put £20 on the key when I get it. Probably be Tuesday at the earliest with the post.

[Blue Oval84]

Rich_W said:

Thanks


Looking at the pic again it does say "E" at the beginning of the number so maybe it's already into the Emergency mode. Theres nothing in the property at all. Checked everywhere. So the key is not here. Plan to put £20 on the key when I get it. Probably be Tuesday at the earliest with the post.

Ah yes, I can't make out the E, but if it's there then you're in emergency (and I would suggest had very little of it left). If it's been in it for a long time then there may be a decent debt of standing charge to be repaid but you aren't liable for anything accrued before you got the keys. EDF can arrange for this to be wiped via a code that they give you to take to the Paypoint, or should be able to refund anything overpaid.

[jon-]

Just had the annual statement through. 3 bed, live alone, electric heater on in small office during winter, gas hob. 2113 kWh over the year, so 5.7/day.

[Silent1]

Jesus I wish my house was that low, yesterday we used 35kwh and our average is 37.5kwh a day! We're on oil fired heating and an oil fired aga too! Even in the middle of the night our idle usage is about .8kwh