El cheapo chimney liner
Discussion
Im in the process of getting quotes for my stove installation. My quotes so far are from fireplace shops, but I'm also going to get quotes from independant HETAS fitters. The fireplace shops must be loading their HETAS fitters labour price, as well as making good money on the kit itself, one has quoted me over £60/meter for 904 flue liner, which is almost twice the price I can buy it elsewhere. If I can find a HETAS fitter to fit everything, with me supplying the stove then I reckon this will be the best option
Prince... I do get what you are trying to do.. but this what happens when you open that DIY box in a regulated environment. The guy seems to make sense to me... Get it done properly ... no problem... or faff about with post inspections... cost and hassle... Have you thought about the time you are spending or might spend on this? You have to factor that in... I'm in situation where two boilers have gone on two separate properties.. | know I can do a like for like switch on one... but the regulations have changed and it needs radiators flushing and condensation pipes etc etc... its all too difficult... the other one is an oil boiler, and though I can do the work myself, it would invalidate my insurance as I don't have the right certificate.... so I thought I'll just save my pennies a month or two longer..get it done.. no faff, no letters, no worry... And NDA's post and my original are warnings from experience... its a long game and the pleasure you'll get from fire over the years when it draws properly, doesn't leak noxious gases and doesn't burn your house down is well worth the wait.. Note I'm trying to be helpful, not argumentative...
princeperch said:
my response:
Dear lazy building controller,
Thanks for your prompt response.
I am a bit confused.
I thought that the role of Building Control is to ensure notifiable works (such as the install of a stove) meets the building regulations.
Part J of the building regulations states in the "Notification of Work" section that the "self-certification scheme" (by a HETAS professional) is an exception to notifying work to Building Control.
If I were to find a HETAS installer to sign off on my stove, then I clearly wouldn’t need to pay building control anything.
I am aware of colleagues who have had their local council inspect similar installations in the past and I am a bit concerned that Building Control appear to be suggesting that there is no expertise available in house to assess if the installation meets building regulations or not.
I was anticipating your response would be along the lines that you would attend, inspect the physical aspects of the install, together with a type 1 smoke test and a form detailing the installation as per the Appendix in the building regulations.
I appreciate that this is something you and your colleagues might not be faced with very often, but can you have a rethink and come back to me please. It seems duplicitous and against the requirements of the building regulations for me to have to pay a HETAS professional to come out and then have to pay Building Control to also come out.
I look forward to hearing from you
Best
P Perch Esq
Dear lazy building controller,
Thanks for your prompt response.
I am a bit confused.
I thought that the role of Building Control is to ensure notifiable works (such as the install of a stove) meets the building regulations.
Part J of the building regulations states in the "Notification of Work" section that the "self-certification scheme" (by a HETAS professional) is an exception to notifying work to Building Control.
If I were to find a HETAS installer to sign off on my stove, then I clearly wouldn’t need to pay building control anything.
I am aware of colleagues who have had their local council inspect similar installations in the past and I am a bit concerned that Building Control appear to be suggesting that there is no expertise available in house to assess if the installation meets building regulations or not.
I was anticipating your response would be along the lines that you would attend, inspect the physical aspects of the install, together with a type 1 smoke test and a form detailing the installation as per the Appendix in the building regulations.
I appreciate that this is something you and your colleagues might not be faced with very often, but can you have a rethink and come back to me please. It seems duplicitous and against the requirements of the building regulations for me to have to pay a HETAS professional to come out and then have to pay Building Control to also come out.
I look forward to hearing from you
Best
P Perch Esq
Well the liner is in now. Tried fitting it without rope but it wouldn't go in, once we got the rope on it and I was pulling from downstairs it was a five minute job.
Few school boy errors on the way though.
1) even if you have swept the chimney before hand as I had done, do not under estimate how much crap and soot will come down that chimney when you start the business end of proceedings. My wife went mental and it tool me 3 hours last night to clean the front room up
2) try and unkink the liner before you're on te roof. It comes in a coil when delivered and its not great to have to fk about uncurling it on the roof
3) its a long way down so borrow or buy some safety harnesses don't use an old coil of twin and earth like my mate did attached to his jeans wrapped round the chimney stack
4) bring all the tools up with you or have them close to hand its a ballache yo have to keep nipping down to get a chisel or whatever
5) we had a velux window that we could use to pass tools out and get the liner onto the roof. Made thins considerably easier. I'm not sure I would have liked to have undertaken this task having to lug that and the chimney pot etc over the roof. Its also easier using power tools like the angle grinder when someone else is there keeping an eye out and who can kill the power if needs be
Still it's in now so all we need to do tody is fabricate a closure plate from hardibacker and connect it all up then get the pros in to test it.
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Few school boy errors on the way though.
1) even if you have swept the chimney before hand as I had done, do not under estimate how much crap and soot will come down that chimney when you start the business end of proceedings. My wife went mental and it tool me 3 hours last night to clean the front room up
2) try and unkink the liner before you're on te roof. It comes in a coil when delivered and its not great to have to fk about uncurling it on the roof
3) its a long way down so borrow or buy some safety harnesses don't use an old coil of twin and earth like my mate did attached to his jeans wrapped round the chimney stack
4) bring all the tools up with you or have them close to hand its a ballache yo have to keep nipping down to get a chisel or whatever
5) we had a velux window that we could use to pass tools out and get the liner onto the roof. Made thins considerably easier. I'm not sure I would have liked to have undertaken this task having to lug that and the chimney pot etc over the roof. Its also easier using power tools like the angle grinder when someone else is there keeping an eye out and who can kill the power if needs be
Still it's in now so all we need to do tody is fabricate a closure plate from hardibacker and connect it all up then get the pros in to test it.
Lol at the twin n earth safety harness and the token backup ladder, that looks inaccessible from th roof!
I'm all for diy jobs like this but couldn't see myself up on a roof without proper safety kit. I'm shaky as fook up a ladder.
Good work tho, make sure you post up with how the fire goes in. We are hoping to get a woodburner at some point so it's interesting to read.
I'm all for diy jobs like this but couldn't see myself up on a roof without proper safety kit. I'm shaky as fook up a ladder.
Good work tho, make sure you post up with how the fire goes in. We are hoping to get a woodburner at some point so it's interesting to read.
Ive had a few fireplace shops come round to quote for supplying and fitting everything needed. I've also had some HETAS fitters round to quote for doing the work, with me supplying the parts. Im amazed at how their advice differs, with each contradicting the others, such as...
Recommending a different brand/model stove (even criticising the stoves recommended by the others).
Some recommending 316 liner for multifuel stove with others recommending 904 grade.
One guy quite for rebuilding the concrete stack (under the fireplace) down to ground level with others saying leave it as it is and just ensure your stove can sit on a hearth with minimum thickness of 12mm.
Pricing for parts and labour differ wildly.
Whilst all their advice might comply with the regulations, they all have a completely different idea of how to do it. Quite frustrating.
Recommending a different brand/model stove (even criticising the stoves recommended by the others).
Some recommending 316 liner for multifuel stove with others recommending 904 grade.
One guy quite for rebuilding the concrete stack (under the fireplace) down to ground level with others saying leave it as it is and just ensure your stove can sit on a hearth with minimum thickness of 12mm.
Pricing for parts and labour differ wildly.
Whilst all their advice might comply with the regulations, they all have a completely different idea of how to do it. Quite frustrating.
Can you imagine lighting some wood in an open grate and letting the smoke go up a brick chimney , maybe even throw some coal on top of it to keep it going all night with just the threat of a clip around the back of the ear if you messed with it ?
Oh how times have changed , all these old houses that never burnt down over the years without building control or a piece of paper from an insurance backed organisation , just people using a little common sense and not the internet
Oh how times have changed , all these old houses that never burnt down over the years without building control or a piece of paper from an insurance backed organisation , just people using a little common sense and not the internet
paulwirral said:
Can you imagine lighting some wood in an open grate and letting the smoke go up a brick chimney , maybe even throw some coal on top of it to keep it going all night with just the threat of a clip around the back of the ear if you messed with it ?
Oh how times have changed , all these old houses that never burnt down over the years without building control or a piece of paper from an insurance backed organisation , just people using a little common sense and not the internet
That's the trouble with technology...it complicates.Oh how times have changed , all these old houses that never burnt down over the years without building control or a piece of paper from an insurance backed organisation , just people using a little common sense and not the internet
roofer said:
That's the trouble with technology...it complicates.
It does , as I type this I'm sat in front of a log burner I installed 9 years ago I bought cheap , stuck a short end of gas flue liner on top that only goes 3 parts of the way up the chimney and I topped it off with a bit of 6mm plate cut to block off the chimney , and I'm burning chipboard pallet kickers I get for a bottle of vodka a year from the local builders merchants !Most on here will think I'm a ghost because of the above
paulwirral said:
It does , as I type this I'm sat in front of a log burner I installed 9 years ago I bought cheap , stuck a short end of gas flue liner on top that only goes 3 parts of the way up the chimney and I topped it off with a bit of 6mm plate cut to block off the chimney , and I'm burning chipboard pallet kickers I get for a bottle of vodka a year from the local builders merchants !
Most on here will think I'm a ghost because of the above
That be 2 of us... Most on here will think I'm a ghost because of the above
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