El cheapo chimney liner
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If ever there was a fasttrack to divorce lads, this was there or thereabouts
Note also one of the cats came into the room shortly after this happened to put rhe boot/paw in. Suspect it was the ginger one. Magnificent creature but the little b
d knows how to kick a bloke when he's down.Edited by princeperch on Monday 1st February 00:33
I imagine shortly after this someone learned the hard way what soot does to a normal vacuum cleaner and how much can make it through the filters and blow around the room especially if a filter bursts.
And how every possible surface will have a coating on it.
At least there isn't a pale coloured carpet.
(I *may* now own lots of dust sheets & a proper vacuum cleaner with 4 layers of filtration and rigged to dump the exhaust air through a hose to outside)
And how every possible surface will have a coating on it.
At least there isn't a pale coloured carpet.
(I *may* now own lots of dust sheets & a proper vacuum cleaner with 4 layers of filtration and rigged to dump the exhaust air through a hose to outside)
its taken a bit of flushing out but to be fair to the building control bloke he has done a bit of a U turn on his previous insistence that the testing that needs to be done by a chimney sweep or hetas engineer before he can sign it off. this doesnt make any difference to me now because if he isn't going to do the tests im still going to have to pay for a sweep to inspect it though to be on the safe side, but he seems to infer I can carry out the tests myself:
"Dear Princeperch
Testing of appliances is a standard but essential part in the installation of a service where there are hazards associated with the operation of the appliance. You or your installer can do the tests; we are not insisting that a ‘competent engineer’ does them for you. For solid fuel appliances, the tests should be carried out by the installer (whether professional or DIY) and we need the installers written confirmation that the tests have been carried out and have obtained satisfactory results. The tests are reasonably straightforward and they’re explained in the document I sent you (copy attached).
It is for the installer to commission the installation, not the local authority. The local authority has to ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable, the installation complies with the national building regulation standards. Tests certificates issued by installers are a common feature of the process.
Assuming the installation is competently installed, and in the case of a DIY installation, we will take a view on whether we can accept the testing confirmation when we see the installation. We would automatically accept test certificates issued by professional installers.
It sounds like your installation is relatively straight forward, involving the construction of an independent factory-made, double- skinned stainless steel flue. Complications with new solid fuel appliances arise where installers want to use an existing chimney. This is because an existing chimney usually has several bends in it, but it must still be fitted with a new liner or the new flue. Amongst other things, the tests are designed to check the integrity of the new flue in a situation where it is covered in and inaccessible.
I don’t see that we are approaching this any differently from that of most local authorities where a building regulation Competent Persons Scheme is not used. I note your observations about ‘unauthorised installations’. We spend a considerable amount of time following up complaints of problematic building work and installations, which often turn up as a delaying factor during the sale of a property, following a valuation survey and the subsequent local land charges enquiries"
"Dear Princeperch
Testing of appliances is a standard but essential part in the installation of a service where there are hazards associated with the operation of the appliance. You or your installer can do the tests; we are not insisting that a ‘competent engineer’ does them for you. For solid fuel appliances, the tests should be carried out by the installer (whether professional or DIY) and we need the installers written confirmation that the tests have been carried out and have obtained satisfactory results. The tests are reasonably straightforward and they’re explained in the document I sent you (copy attached).
It is for the installer to commission the installation, not the local authority. The local authority has to ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable, the installation complies with the national building regulation standards. Tests certificates issued by installers are a common feature of the process.
Assuming the installation is competently installed, and in the case of a DIY installation, we will take a view on whether we can accept the testing confirmation when we see the installation. We would automatically accept test certificates issued by professional installers.
It sounds like your installation is relatively straight forward, involving the construction of an independent factory-made, double- skinned stainless steel flue. Complications with new solid fuel appliances arise where installers want to use an existing chimney. This is because an existing chimney usually has several bends in it, but it must still be fitted with a new liner or the new flue. Amongst other things, the tests are designed to check the integrity of the new flue in a situation where it is covered in and inaccessible.
I don’t see that we are approaching this any differently from that of most local authorities where a building regulation Competent Persons Scheme is not used. I note your observations about ‘unauthorised installations’. We spend a considerable amount of time following up complaints of problematic building work and installations, which often turn up as a delaying factor during the sale of a property, following a valuation survey and the subsequent local land charges enquiries"
there wasn't a constructional hearth when I opened up the chimney it had all been knocked out presumably when the chimney breast was closed up. we laid a thick layer of concrete about 140mm thick and after a week or so the limestone went on top of that.
no idea whats under the original Victorian tiles at the front. if its anything like the one in the bathroom there will be a thick layer of concrete below that too going right down to the floor joists. I can find out easily enough but haven't done so yet. the main thing was to make sure the limestone was sitting on something substantial and now it is.
as to the size of the stove, it is only a tiddler - 585mm high, 375mm wide and 260mm deep.
no idea whats under the original Victorian tiles at the front. if its anything like the one in the bathroom there will be a thick layer of concrete below that too going right down to the floor joists. I can find out easily enough but haven't done so yet. the main thing was to make sure the limestone was sitting on something substantial and now it is.
as to the size of the stove, it is only a tiddler - 585mm high, 375mm wide and 260mm deep.
Well the stove is now in and connected up. Carried out three smoke tests. Its drawing very well, its all coming out of the chimney pot on the roof and no leakage anywhere.
I was going to fit a hardibacker as a closure plate but don't think I'll bother unless I notice a significant amount of heat being lost up the chimney.
The connection of the pipes was OK, but that lining is sharp stuff. Also because of how the lining sits in the chimney The connecting pipe isn't 100 PC straight in the spiggot, I'd say it has gone 90pc home so there is a slight bias on one side of The pipe which I've packed out with fire cement.
So far so good. Now have to get the bloke from the council round !
as far as I can see there is no requirement under the regs to have a closure plate, its decorative and also to stop debris falling on the stove.
ill probably fit one as I purchased the hardibacker but thought id see how it goes without it first.
I managed to seat the pipe properly in the stove after a bit of faffing. had to give the flue a good tug but found some excess from the top which means it now sits straight which is good.
got the chimney sweep coming round next week to do the tests the building control bloke wants and hopefully bc will attend late next week so I can start using the damn thing next weekend.
ill probably fit one as I purchased the hardibacker but thought id see how it goes without it first.
I managed to seat the pipe properly in the stove after a bit of faffing. had to give the flue a good tug but found some excess from the top which means it now sits straight which is good.
got the chimney sweep coming round next week to do the tests the building control bloke wants and hopefully bc will attend late next week so I can start using the damn thing next weekend.
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