Estimating a revamp

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Harry Flashman

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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OK, I will give you an example of what our £180k budget is getting us in London. No extension, which brings costs up heavily due to foundations.

House is in SW London, and will be just over 3000 square feet, 6 beds, 3 main baths, 2 WCs, to give an idea of size.

Architect, building control, structural engineers, party wall agreement £4.3k

Loft conversion with new bath & 2 beds, new kitchen roof, digging down kitchen floor, tiling and fitting 5 bathrooms, garage side return extension, structural steels for knocking out 3 walls and supporting post in enlarged kitchen £85k

Glazing and doors £18k

Heating – new system entirely, including underfloor heating, boiler, Honeywell Evohome, new rads & piping and general plumbing for new kitchen, loft and bathroom £20k

Electrical including rewire, new loft, alarm system, fire alarms, Cat 6 cabling £11.5k

Kitchen, including units, granite, fitting, limestone floor tiles, fridge, freezer, induction hob, extraction, sinks, taps £21k (I am particularly proud of this)
Bathroom materials £5.5k

Decoration £13k

New front door and security doors £1.5k




Edited by Harry Flashman on Wednesday 10th February 14:48

dtmpower

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Too Late said:
and built this. Not everyone's taste but we like it
Just an aside - two Fords with very similar registrations...

Zero7

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Harry Flashman said:
OK, I will give you an example of what our £180k budget is getting us in London. No extension, which brings costs up heavily due to foundations.

Architect, building control, structural engineers, party wall agreements £4.3k

Loft conversion with new bath & 2 beds, new kitchen roof, digging down kitchen floor, tiling and fitting 5 bathrooms, garage side return extension, structural steels for knocking out 3 walls and supporting post in enlarged kitchen £85k

Glazing and doors £18k

Heating – new system entirely, including underfloor heating, boiler, Honeywell Evohome, new rads & piping and general plumbing for new kitchen, loft and bathroom £20k

Electrical including rewire, new loft, alarm system, fire alarms, Cat 6 cabling £11.5k

Kitchen, including units, granite, fitting, limestone floor tiles, fridge, freezer, induction hob, extraction, sinks, taps £21k (I am particularly proud of this)
Bathroom materials £5.5k

Decoration £13k

New front door and security doors £1.5k
That's helpful information. I have been speaking to a builder over the last day, family friend and has given me some good insight into costs in this area. I'm more intrigued to see if anything can be done with this house due to the slant of the roof without any major roof facelift.

sealtt

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Zero7 said:
^^^ Cheers, certainly some option,s not keen on downstairs bedrooms though so would need to expand the upstairs space somehow. My concern is with the pitch of the roof I'm not sure I could get a good full width extension on the back unless I go with a flat roof which I'm not overly keen on.
Yes, I'm not such a fan of downstairs bedrooms either, though it can work well for guest rooms.

I don't know much about extending up the way you want, I tried to keep my plans simple structurally as I felt that would be cheapest. I think they can do an extension with a pitch roof connected to the existing roof easily enough - you could always get a builder/contractor to meet you on site and give a very rough idea. I did that before buying a place to make sure we had the right sort of figures in mind.

Zero7

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sealtt said:
Yes, I'm not such a fan of downstairs bedrooms either, though it can work well for guest rooms.

I don't know much about extending up the way you want, I tried to keep my plans simple structurally as I felt that would be cheapest. I think they can do an extension with a pitch roof connected to the existing roof easily enough - you could always get a builder/contractor to meet you on site and give a very rough idea. I did that before buying a place to make sure we had the right sort of figures in mind.
I think that would be the wise decision...

any builders architects on here that could see a nice big extension on the back? I'm just struggling to visualise it, I'm normally ok at that but this house has such a big roof

jdw1234

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216 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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What about a Moduloft conversion?

http://www.moduloft.co.uk/before-after/


Zero7

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jdw1234 said:
What about a Moduloft conversion?

http://www.moduloft.co.uk/before-after/
I like what they did with that hastings one...

Zero7

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jdw1234 said:
What about a Moduloft conversion?

http://www.moduloft.co.uk/before-after/
I like what they did with that hastings one...

Harry Flashman

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243 months

Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Zero7 said:
Harry Flashman said:
OK, I will give you an example of what our £180k budget is getting us in London. No extension, which brings costs up heavily due to foundations.

Architect, building control, structural engineers, party wall agreements £4.3k

Loft conversion with new bath & 2 beds, new kitchen roof, digging down kitchen floor, tiling and fitting 5 bathrooms, garage side return extension, structural steels for knocking out 3 walls and supporting post in enlarged kitchen £85k

Glazing and doors £18k

Heating – new system entirely, including underfloor heating, boiler, Honeywell Evohome, new rads & piping and general plumbing for new kitchen, loft and bathroom £20k

Electrical including rewire, new loft, alarm system, fire alarms, Cat 6 cabling £11.5k

Kitchen, including units, granite, fitting, limestone floor tiles, fridge, freezer, induction hob, extraction, sinks, taps £21k (I am particularly proud of this)
Bathroom materials £5.5k

Decoration £13k

New front door and security doors £1.5k
That's helpful information. I have been speaking to a builder over the last day, family friend and has given me some good insight into costs in this area. I'm more intrigued to see if anything can be done with this house due to the slant of the roof without any major roof facelift.
If you PM me I'd be happy to give you the builder's detailed (Excel spreadsheet) initial estimates. May help you with your own negotiations.

Zero7

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PM sent Harry, thanks...

sealtt

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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If you search google images / houzz for 'chalet extension' then you should find helpful images of how a 2 storey extension would work on such a place.

I think this gives you an idea of how it might work...







Edited by sealtt on Wednesday 10th February 15:39

Zero7

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I think the possibilities with that house are pretty good, nice plot with south facing garden, feel a triple garage on the plot would not look out of place.

sealtt

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Zero7 said:
I think the possibilities with that house are pretty good, nice plot with south facing garden, feel a triple garage on the plot would not look out of place.
I lived in Leamington for 2 or 3 years, I love the Regency town houses around Clarendon Square but would never buy one because there's too much risk you'll end up with a bunch of ***** students for neighbours!!! If you are happy with the location, I think you will struggle to do better than that one you've found. It's a great house & plot. Loads of potential and a fantastic garden - South facing is such a bonus, especially in the Uk where we need to enjoy every bit of sunshine we get.

Zero7

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sealtt said:
I lived in Leamington for 2 or 3 years, I love the Regency town houses around Clarendon Square but would never buy one because there's too much risk you'll end up with a bunch of ***** students for neighbours!!! If you are happy with the location, I think you will struggle to do better than that one you've found. It's a great house & plot. Loads of potential and a fantastic garden - South facing is such a bonus, especially in the Uk where we need to enjoy every bit of sunshine we get.
The regency houses are very nice but money pits, the best of these are out-priced for students and swap hands over over a million. This particular house is in Radford Semele on the outskirts, my family also live in the village so added bonus and less than 5 minutes drive into town.

Great plot and as you say, south facing garden.

Harry Flashman

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Wednesday 10th February 2016
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Zero7 said:
PM sent Harry, thanks...
Not received! Try again...

Zero7

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Thursday 11th February 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
Not received! Try again...
Tried agin but I feel the PM system is intermittent at best..

ali_kat

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Thursday 11th February 2016
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Zero7 said:
Harry Flashman said:
Not received! Try again...
Tried agin but I feel the PM system is intermittent at best..
wavey Boo biggrin The 'new mustang' in the OP gave you away laugh

PH mail is shagged, sorry; you may need to post your address without the @ and .

Zero7

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Thursday 11th February 2016
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Thanks for helping Ali... will pst up pis of the mustang after the 1st :-)

ali_kat

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Thursday 11th February 2016
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Harry Flashman

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Thursday 11th February 2016
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Thanks Ali - all sorted! Zero7 is now the unwilling recipient of a tonne of costings spreadsheets. Lucky man.