Household LED disappointment

[NiceCupOfTea]

Chaps, where are you buying the Philips ones from?

I got some from tlc-direct and they are OK but warm white is a bit too orange, was thinking of going for the middle of the three they offer. (Neutral, daylight, warm)

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LTGU9W.html

Sold out though...

[hairyben]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Chaps, where are you buying the Philips ones from?

I got some from tlc-direct and they are OK but warm white is a bit too orange, was thinking of going for the middle of the three they offer. (Neutral, daylight, warm)

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LTGU9W.html

Sold out though...

The ones you link to are daylight which is really cold and too much for most people.

I'm not sure on the ledlite/tlc "own brand" GU10 stuff but the sealed fitting warm which is too warm- it's almost a sodium like a yellow/orange coloured light rather than a warm white. The "neutral" is better balanced but on the "cool" side of warm which some like, some don't.

My advice would be find a good brand 2800-3000k warm white lamp, buy 1 or 2 to try before buying a load. If thats still too warm there's 3500/4000k lamps to try.

[anonymous-user]

Another vote for the Philips GU10s.

I have a selection of Philips GU10 purchased over a number of years in a number of power ranges, some dimable and some note. They are all quite lovely with a nice warm white. The oldest I have are nearly 5 years old I think and still going strong.

I also have some el-cheapos and whilst they are fine, I would rather pay the extra for a decent brand. My dad has some 60smd ebay specials and they are really quite good, but they have a 50hz flicker you can see when something moves quickly - like waving your hand. He doesn't mind it (hadn't noticed until I pointed it out) but I couldn't live with it in my house.

So, in summary, you get what you pay for!

[Evanivitch]

Screwfix LAP for GU10. Much easier to return if there are any issues.

[NiceCupOfTea]

hairyben said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

Chaps, where are you buying the Philips ones from?

I got some from tlc-direct and they are OK but warm white is a bit too orange, was thinking of going for the middle of the three they offer. (Neutral, daylight, warm)

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LTGU9W.html

Sold out though...

The ones you link to are daylight which is really cold and too much for most people.

I'm not sure on the ledlite/tlc "own brand" GU10 stuff but the sealed fitting warm which is too warm- it's almost a sodium like a yellow/orange coloured light rather than a warm white. The "neutral" is better balanced but on the "cool" side of warm which some like, some don't.

My advice would be find a good brand 2800-3000k warm white lamp, buy 1 or 2 to try before buying a load. If thats still too warm there's 3500/4000k lamps to try.

Agree about the warm ones, definite yellow tinge. I've got them in the kitchen and I'm not keen but I've got used to it (and for a tenner a pop I'm not changing them).

Got the others mixed up, think it is the neutral I need.

So where do the Philips come up cheapest?

[swisstoni]

This thread has sold me on Philips stuff. I have boggo halogen GU10s in the kitchen. I don't want a clinical cold light - what are the right Philips LED bulbs to use to replace?

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Skodasupercar said:

I also have some el-cheapos and whilst they are fine, I would rather pay the extra for a decent brand. My dad has some 60smd ebay specials and they are really quite good, but they have a 50hz flicker you can see when something moves quickly - like waving your hand. He doesn't mind it (hadn't noticed until I pointed it out) but I couldn't live with it in my house.

So, in summary, you get what you pay for!

Some of the naff cheapo ones are half wave rectification, so you see a nasty 25hz flicker.
I'll say again though = Poundland ones are fine and don't flicker.

[LordHaveMurci]

1st ones I bought were Verbatim as they were recommended by Which?

Have since bought several Philips ones & much prefer them. Most of the house is now LED, just the bathroom downlights to change which will be replaced with Ecoleds (if I ever get around to it!).

[anonymous-user]

I got 300+ Zep 1's from Guy for one of my builds. Six months later and not a single failure, even if there is we have 4.5 years warranty remaining.

Highly recommended.

[HairyMaclary]

If you can stomach £15 a bulb osram lightify lets you tune the colour and temperature of the light. You can then set that preference into the bulb so it always comes on with that config.

[buggalugs]

swisstoni said:

This thread has sold me on Philips stuff. I have boggo halogen GU10s in the kitchen. I don't want a clinical cold light - what are the right Philips LED bulbs to use to replace?

The GU10's I got were these (non-dimmable)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00MB5XVJ4?psc=...

[Murph7355]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Chaps, where are you buying the Philips ones from?

I got some from tlc-direct and they are OK but warm white is a bit too orange, was thinking of going for the middle of the three they offer. (Neutral, daylight, warm)
...

B&Q.

http://www.diy.com/departments/philips-gu10-45w-le...

IMO temperatures greater than 2700K are too cool for household use (compared to halogen).

I reckon the G9 halogens I have are more like 2400-2500K.

[AB]

oilydan said:

Each lamp does have it's own transformer.

Is there anything I can do to be able to use the MR16 bulbs?

You should be able to use the MR16 without a problem.

I've seen some issues with MR16 being either 12v OR 24v and people buying the wrong type, but that's generally the cheaper ones IME.

I'm involved with a UK manufacturer and supplier of LED lighting, if there's a few of you who have the more expensive GU10 lamps and want me to send a couple of ours for you to compare with, I'd be really happy to hear some feedback and thoughts. Drop me a PM through my profile and I'll send some out.

[thebraketester]

CoinSl0t said:

I got 300+ Zep 1's from Guy for one of my builds. Six months later and not a single failure, even if there is we have 4.5 years warranty remaining.

Highly recommended.

Sheesh.... That's quite an order. :-)

[sealtt]

I use LEDs for kitchen, bathroom and hall - I find Philips warm white is still a bit too 'white' though - but the extra visibility and reduced running costs are great.

However for 'comfy' places like bedroom and probably lounge, you can't beat the colour and light dispersal of halogen in my opinion.

[Brother D]

I have these. http://www.lifx.com/
You will not believe how bright and close the light is natural and incandensent bulbs. And the timing to come on/ go to sleep is a revelation.





(Plus they will will give you disco lighting in time to your music)

[rhinochopig]

Brother D said:

I have these. http://www.lifx.com/
You will not believe how bright and close the light is natural and incandensent bulbs. And the timing to come on/ go to sleep is a revelation.





(Plus they will will give you disco lighting in time to your music)

For $60 per bulb I'd want them to give me a lapdance in time to my music.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Murph7355 said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

Chaps, where are you buying the Philips ones from?

I got some from tlc-direct and they are OK but warm white is a bit too orange, was thinking of going for the middle of the three they offer. (Neutral, daylight, warm)
...

B&Q.

http://www.diy.com/departments/philips-gu10-45w-le...

IMO temperatures greater than 2700K are too cool for household use (compared to halogen).

I reckon the G9 halogens I have are more like 2400-2500K.

Thanks for that, they're only about 50p cheaper on Amazon. Might pick some up this afternoon. I was looking at the 3000K ones - I have 2500-2900 ones from tlc-direct as mentioned above, and they are almost sodium yellow... (and over a tenner a pop for non-dimmable)

Edit: Just noticed that they are different from the amazon ones:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-45709200-Energy-Di...

(Amazon ones are 4.3w, B&Q are 4.5, plus casing is different colour. confusing business this)

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Sunday 7th February 14:31

[RYH64E]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Confusing business this.

Indeed, I think I'll stick with Halogen G9s for another 12 months and see how the market matures.

[NiceCupOfTea]

K, so have found the B&Q ones on Amazon (silver casing) and the other ones (black casing). Can't see any real spec differences between them so what is the difference??

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-45709200-Energy-Di...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-230-GU10-Dimmable-...