2nd Opinion on Lintel for Patio Door
Discussion
Well just had the company on the blower chasing up payment.
He's coming to inspect in the morning but has insisted flat iron lintol normal practice??!!??
I really am not trying to hold up paying the company but I know once money has been exchanged the work won't be rectified. I've already paid £700 and there is a balance of £700 to pay. The price for the lintel was £264 but I'm not happy with the lintol used or the install of the lintel.
Also the patio isn't fixed ar the top as in bolted/screwed like the sides is this also normal practice. Probably due to the steel that's there! The lintol also hasn't seen no rust protection or mortar just expanding foam and clear silicone.
He's coming to inspect in the morning but has insisted flat iron lintol normal practice??!!??
I really am not trying to hold up paying the company but I know once money has been exchanged the work won't be rectified. I've already paid £700 and there is a balance of £700 to pay. The price for the lintel was £264 but I'm not happy with the lintol used or the install of the lintel.
Also the patio isn't fixed ar the top as in bolted/screwed like the sides is this also normal practice. Probably due to the steel that's there! The lintol also hasn't seen no rust protection or mortar just expanding foam and clear silicone.
evo97 said:
Well just had the company on the blower chasing up payment.
He's coming to inspect in the morning but has insisted flat iron lintol normal practice??!!??
I really am not trying to hold up paying the company but I know once money has been exchanged the work won't be rectified. I've already paid £700 and there is a balance of £700 to pay. The price for the lintel was £264 but I'm not happy with the lintol used or the install of the lintel.
Also the patio isn't fixed ar the top as in bolted/screwed like the sides is this also normal practice. Probably due to the steel that's there! The lintol also hasn't seen no rust protection or mortar just expanding foam and clear silicone.
Flat iron is not going to hold up anything. It needs to have a vertical element. Outer leaf may not be holding your roof up, but there's a lot of bricks up there, and they WILL move. Slidey-slidey has a central post, but I bet it's just sat on a plastic 150mm cill. Won't be sliding for long.He's coming to inspect in the morning but has insisted flat iron lintol normal practice??!!??
I really am not trying to hold up paying the company but I know once money has been exchanged the work won't be rectified. I've already paid £700 and there is a balance of £700 to pay. The price for the lintel was £264 but I'm not happy with the lintol used or the install of the lintel.
Also the patio isn't fixed ar the top as in bolted/screwed like the sides is this also normal practice. Probably due to the steel that's there! The lintol also hasn't seen no rust protection or mortar just expanding foam and clear silicone.
So your pics are showing the completed job?
Flat iron plate is definitely not standard practice and completely unsuitable. It wouldn't even support its own weight over that distance.
If it's RSA (Angle) or Tee (very unlikely) then, as a lintel it would be ok. However, the bearings are not sufficient.
You can't really get away with less than 100mm at each end. And that 100mm should be a full bedded bearing, not teetering on the edge of a brick missing half its rear face with expanding foam covering the fact there's fück all there.
Really, they need to supply a new piece of 150x100 RSA so it's long enough for a decent bearing on each end and also replace the bearing bricks at each end with complete bricks. They may not be able to find matching bricks and the brickwork patching will always show, but that's how it should have been done.
It probably won't fall down, as it is, so how you want to play it - is up to you
If it's RSA (Angle) or Tee (very unlikely) then, as a lintel it would be ok. However, the bearings are not sufficient.
You can't really get away with less than 100mm at each end. And that 100mm should be a full bedded bearing, not teetering on the edge of a brick missing half its rear face with expanding foam covering the fact there's fück all there.
Really, they need to supply a new piece of 150x100 RSA so it's long enough for a decent bearing on each end and also replace the bearing bricks at each end with complete bricks. They may not be able to find matching bricks and the brickwork patching will always show, but that's how it should have been done.
It probably won't fall down, as it is, so how you want to play it - is up to you
andy43 said:
Flat iron is not going to hold up anything. It needs to have a vertical element. Outer leaf may not be holding your roof up, but there's a lot of bricks up there, and they WILL move. Slidey-slidey has a central post, but I bet it's just sat on a plastic 150mm cill. Won't be sliding for long.
So your pics are showing the completed job?
No pictures are from yesterday. I did ask them to not bother sealing the gap between frame and brickwork as I'm going to get the brickwork rendered/plastered (plasterer mentioned this as easier to get a angle bead in) but that isn't going to happen until I know there won't be any brickwork movement and going by the lintol used there will be!So your pics are showing the completed job?
Edited by evo97 on Thursday 11th February 17:18
Muppet32 said:
Flat iron plate is definitely not standard practice and completely unsuitable. It wouldn't even support its own weight over that distance.
If it's RSA (Angle) or Tee (very unlikely) then, as a lintel it would be ok. However, the bearings are not sufficient.
You can't really get away with less than 100mm at each end. And that 100mm should be a full bedded bearing, not teetering on the edge of a brick missing half its rear face with expanding foam covering the fact there's fück all there.
Really, they need to supply a new piece of 150x100 RSA so it's long enough for a decent bearing on each end and also replace the bearing bricks at each end with complete bricks. They may not be able to find matching bricks and the brickwork patching will always show, but that's how it should have been done.
It probably won't fall down, as it is, so how you want to play it - is up to you
Thanks again for all your input gents. If it's RSA (Angle) or Tee (very unlikely) then, as a lintel it would be ok. However, the bearings are not sufficient.
You can't really get away with less than 100mm at each end. And that 100mm should be a full bedded bearing, not teetering on the edge of a brick missing half its rear face with expanding foam covering the fact there's fück all there.
Really, they need to supply a new piece of 150x100 RSA so it's long enough for a decent bearing on each end and also replace the bearing bricks at each end with complete bricks. They may not be able to find matching bricks and the brickwork patching will always show, but that's how it should have been done.
It probably won't fall down, as it is, so how you want to play it - is up to you
Tomorrow I can fire all this back to him. To be honest I knew deep down it wasn't correct that's why I posted a thread on here. At least I've been educated and now can insist on a correct lintol installed with a minimum 100mm bearing on brickwork.
Thanks again!
evo97 said:
TA14 said:
With a screwdriver/prodder and a torch can't you tell what it is?
Yes it's straight....it doesn't angle back into cavity? But the replies on here seem to suggest it's angled?Spudler said:
Only because we'd never believe anyone could be so retarded as to slide in a flat steel...could they?
In this day and age nothing surprises me mate. Thing is as soon as I mentioned the lintel and silicone to the manager he wasn't surprised at all and sort of passed it off as normal and common practice. I think he's in for a shock in the morning when he's expecting to collect 700 notes!I'm a mechanic and have seen some toe curling repairs done on cars through the years also.
I'd be putting a call into your local council and ask if a Building Control officer could pop around and view that abomination of an install.I'll guarantee it would be condemned.
Even if the flat plate turns out to be something more suitable, there is still so much wrong with the work you've had done.
I'd let the company know you'll pay once the BCO has viewed and accepted the work done, he'll change his tune fairly sharply.
Even if the flat plate turns out to be something more suitable, there is still so much wrong with the work you've had done.
I'd let the company know you'll pay once the BCO has viewed and accepted the work done, he'll change his tune fairly sharply.
don'tbesilly said:
I'd be putting a call into your local council and ask if a Building Control officer could pop around and view that abomination of an install.I'll guarantee it would be condemned.
Even if the flat plate turns out to be something more suitable, there is still so much wrong with the work you've had done.
I'd let the company know you'll pay once the BCO has viewed and accepted the work done, he'll change his tune fairly sharply.
I think that is a good idea. Even if the flat plate turns out to be something more suitable, there is still so much wrong with the work you've had done.
I'd let the company know you'll pay once the BCO has viewed and accepted the work done, he'll change his tune fairly sharply.
There is some guidance on the building regulation requirements when replacing windows in the following link. The bottom bit about structural safety is worth reading.
http://www.waveney.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_i...
btw. If you want an idea of the sort of lintels that could be used you are looking at single leaf lintels like at the bottom of this page:
http://iglintels.com/lintels/standard-lintels/sing...
either that or a RSA as has already been mentioned
http://polsteel.co.uk/steel-guide/steel-sections/r...
Either way you building control might comment on what should be used or they might just tell you you need to use someone qualified to assess the structural loads. That doesn't sound like your current window people given the comments so far.......
evo97 said:
Thanks again you lovely lot! You educated me and After a discussion that kept going around in circles they are going to instal a concrete lintol.
Well, it's a result.It will be perfectly adequate, so long as you have the bearing either side.
Contrary to what's been suggested, 100 is not acceptable over that span.
Just keep your eye on them.
evo97 said:
h8tax said:
Listen to this man - he knows what he's talking about and you can see from the original photo its an angle, not a flat bar. The bearings look too small, and yes the bearing bricks need replacing. It is a bit bodgy looking though with the foam etc. I assume it was a very cheap quote.
Yes it was a cheap price.Edited by h8tax on Thursday 11th February 14:06
I wouldn't worry to much , the company that installed it are fensa registered so you can declare it when you sell the house and it won't hold a sale up as they meet and cover all building control regulations , they should also be insured for any comebacks so it will never be your problem !
paulwirral said:
I wouldn't worry to much , the company that installed it are fensa registered so you can declare it when you sell the house and it won't hold a sale up as they meet and cover all building control regulations , they should also be insured for any comebacks so it will never be your problem !
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