Need your thoughts for garage design to minimise presence

Need your thoughts for garage design to minimise presence

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Murph7355

37,711 posts

256 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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Buy a house with a garage.

This could be the first instance of someone adding to their house and making it worth less

Either that or underground garage with garage almost butted up to left hand side of the house.


SAB888

3,243 posts

207 months

Saturday 2nd April 2016
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kryten22uk said:
SAB888 said:
What garage drainage? Do you mean the rainwater collected from the roof or is there a fitting (sink) inside the garage?
If you have a driveway leading down to an underground garage, then you'll need to pump back up the rainwater which collects/falls at the entrance.
The surface water drain invert at the IC near the garage looks to be about 500mm below the garage floor level. How about an ACO drain running along the front of the garage to minimize water getting into it then put a trapped gully in the front corner of the garage as a back-up and connect both to the IC. If I've read the levels correctly that could work with no pump required.

Bispal

1,618 posts

151 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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Just create a second crossover, build it level with the road for drainage and place a green roof / terrace / garden on top. Will hide the garage nicely and hopefully please your neighbour.









kryten22uk

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2,344 posts

231 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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Thanks Bispal, interesting alternative to hidetheelephants's Bond Villain idea. I quite like it in theory. But whilst it would probably look ok from Neighbours house, I think it'd probably not provide a nice street scene, so illicit a lot of negative response to any application. Cant please everyone! This is the main reason I've been trying to consider designs which maintain the hedgerow on the road boundary, in order to hide much of whats going on.

hidetheelephants

24,317 posts

193 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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There's no reason you couldn't combine the two ideas; a partially sunken garage, perhaps with a terrace/decking area on top, with a dogleg driveway linking to the existing drive entrance.

RichB

51,567 posts

284 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
There's no reason you couldn't combine the two ideas; a partially sunken garage, perhaps with a terrace/decking area on top, with a dogleg driveway linking to the existing drive entrance.
Indeed, you could turn it sideways like your original plan but still have the green roof. Would look pretty good I reckon.

Bispal

1,618 posts

151 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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I did think of sideways but access could be difficult as the site would rise across the garage doors. I also think the street elevation would be fine if properly designed. If you can make the levels work the side access works, with the roof garden and the hedge to the front.



Foliage

3,861 posts

122 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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RichB said:
hidetheelephants said:
There's no reason you couldn't combine the two ideas; a partially sunken garage, perhaps with a terrace/decking area on top, with a dogleg driveway linking to the existing drive entrance.
Indeed, you could turn it sideways like your original plan but still have the green roof. Would look pretty good I reckon.
I don't think it would get planning, as youd overlook your neighbours garden.

also - https://www.pinterest.com/explore/underground-gara...

jdw1234

6,021 posts

215 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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What is the budget?

Would one of those CarDock lifts be a neat solution?

Could you install electric gates to the property and park the sports car in the proposed garage location concealed behind the proposed hedge?


kryten22uk

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2,344 posts

231 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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jdw1234 said:
What is the budget?

Would one of those CarDock lifts be a neat solution?

Could you install electric gates to the property and park the sports car in the proposed garage location concealed behind the proposed hedge?
CarDock waaay out of price bracket, particularly with heavy ongoing maintenance costs.

I'm thinking maybe go the concealed (partially) parking route as you say.
Something like this:

Bispal

1,618 posts

151 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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Foliage said:
RichB said:
hidetheelephants said:
There's no reason you couldn't combine the two ideas; a partially sunken garage, perhaps with a terrace/decking area on top, with a dogleg driveway linking to the existing drive entrance.
Indeed, you could turn it sideways like your original plan but still have the green roof. Would look pretty good I reckon.
I don't think it would get planning, as youd overlook your neighbours garden.

also - https://www.pinterest.com/explore/underground-gara...
Overlooking only applies to when you are OVER 'looking' i.e. from a habitable room from window. Its counted as loss of amenity and usually applies to rear gardens that are semi-private, not front gardens that are semi-public.

Loss of amenity should not apply to a single storey garage. There is no loss of amenity if there is no over shadowing, loss of light or loss of privacy (over-looking). Of course the planners may not like it and they are entirely free to refuse any development forward of the house at their discretion.

If this were my house I would be tempted to create a level area by using retaining walls and landscaping then later place a timer roof / canopy over the top followed by a suitable pause and some garage doors. all concealed by the hedge to the front. Possibly over 6-18 months, slowly and discretely.....






mikeiow

5,366 posts

130 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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What does your friendly neighbour suggest, other than "don't like it" ?
Why not have a chat if you want to keep him appeased.....but IMHO the original but with hipped roof looks pretty good, and if you have it "in keeping" with the rest of the neighbourhood, I can't see why he would be upset.

Light comes from above, so he should be suffering little "loss of amenity" in that regard.
Wold he like something that offers him a garage on his side (obviously don't know what his frontage is). It sounds like a green eyed god of jealousy, and your plans look well thought out on the whole!

I'd speak with him if I were you. & obviously let us know what progress you make.....but if YOU want a garage, and you built it sympathetic to the neighbourhood, I cannot see it removing value from your house: the opposite, surely!
Don't water your aspirations down for the sake of someone who has the option to move if he is that upset, but offer him the chance to make suggestions to 'appease' him.....

kryten22uk

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2,344 posts

231 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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Thanks. I am in comms with the neighbour, and before long we'll have a chat (as well as with the large number of other villagers who objected!) to discuss all the options (lots garnered from this thread, thanks), then resubmit a planning application.

Foliage

3,861 posts

122 months

Friday 8th April 2016
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Bispal said:
Overlooking only applies to when you are OVER 'looking' i.e. from a habitable room from window. Its counted as loss of amenity and usually applies to rear gardens that are semi-private, not front gardens that are semi-public.

Loss of amenity should not apply to a single storey garage. There is no loss of amenity if there is no over shadowing, loss of light or loss of privacy (over-looking). Of course the planners may not like it and they are entirely free to refuse any development forward of the house at their discretion.
I was referring to using the roof as a terrace and thought that it would overlook his neighbours rear garden. Most of my design work is commercial, fore warned is fore armed though.

kryten22uk

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2,344 posts

231 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Thanks for all the advice in this thread. I've now completed this project, albeit without a garage!

'Before' picture:


The dig starts








Retaining block wall done, now starting the kentish ragstone wall:


Type1 aggregate arrives.


Ragstone done, type1 hardcore down and whacked


Cellular grid system down and Shingle arrived. We bought waaay too much, and actually had to use a grab lorry to take away loads to the dump!


All finished and tarmac'd.





8-P

2,758 posts

260 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Nice and a nice fleet too! Bet youll be cursing sweeping that gravel though!