Does this need planning permission?

Does this need planning permission?

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OneTwo

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374 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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It depends. Have a look here for the details:

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commo...

Due to the proximity to the boundary the max height should not exceed 2.5m

They also need to ensure that the outbuildings do not collectively cover more that 50% of their land.

8-P

2,756 posts

259 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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Just send the photos to the council, theyll be round in a heartbeat

OneTwo

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374 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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I've had a scan through of the guidance and I think it'll be very very close to the limits but time will tell. Thanks for the link.

Anyone else care to offer any opinion?

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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Beds in sheds!

Ask him how much to rent a room.

mikees

2,745 posts

171 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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Pic of whole garden and new building in relation. Looks like taking up most of garden.

Ps that looks like it's gonna be more than 2.5m.

Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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OneTwo said:
I've had a scan through of the guidance and I think it'll be very very close to the limits but time will tell. Thanks for the link.

Anyone else care to offer any opinion?
If it's over 15m2 they also need to comply with Building Regulations, which requires boundary fire protection.

Gav147

976 posts

160 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2016
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Elysium said:
If it's over 15m2 they also need to comply with Building Regulations, which requires boundary fire protection.
Upto 30m2 can be built without regs providing it is built from non combustible materials (i.e blockwork), can also be built tight to boundary with no need for building regs. That is of course for regs, however planning wise I'm pretty sure that will be borderline as there doesn't look like there's going to be much garden left...OP I would get in touch with planning sooner rather than later

Some nice bonding on that front blockwork corner btw...

bimsb6

8,031 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Those types of buildings had become so common in luton you now need planning , you wouldn't believe how poorly built some are , built with breeze blocks up tight to the edges of the plot with no space to render them or otherwise finish them off , then grandma moves in ! Electrics run off a single 13amp socket via a plug !

rotarymazda

538 posts

164 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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It's <1m from boundary so cannot meet rules for a Class E outbuilding. It is not a temporary structure.

=> Planning permission required.

ColinM50

2,630 posts

174 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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I'm a Town Councillor and sit on our Planning Committee. We would need planning consent for something like that and if it was brought to our attention as already built, we'd demand retrospective PP. Not saying we'd give it or reject it, but more likely to say "oh OK, you've already done it. Fine". It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

All Planners are dead scared of rejecting an existing building, the costs are horrendous and not reclaimable from the property owner unless very lucky. If it did go to court judges don't like to be unpopular unless they really have to either.

matty g

231 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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I'd be telling planning BEFORE he manages to get some bats to move in

Busa mav

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153 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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ColinM50 said:
I'm a Town Councillor and sit on our Planning Committee. We would need planning consent for something like that and if it was brought to our attention as already built, we'd demand retrospective PP.
You cannot say that from that photograph.

You can stamp your feet and demand all you want , but....

If that is going to be lower than 2.5m in o/a height, covers less than 50% of his garden and his permitted development rights are intact, you have absolutely no right to do so.

paulrockliffe

15,639 posts

226 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Busa mav said:
ColinM50 said:
I'm a Town Councillor and sit on our Planning Committee. We would need planning consent for something like that and if it was brought to our attention as already built, we'd demand retrospective PP.
You cannot say that from that photograph.

You can stamp your feet and demand all you want , but....

If that is going to be lower than 2.5m in o/a height, covers less than 50% of his garden and his permitted development rights are intact, you have absolutely no right to do so.
While that may be true, I was more concerned that a Councillor would treat a build structure differently to an unbuilt structure from a planning point of view.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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ColinM50 said:
I'm a Town Councillor and sit on our Planning Committee. We would need planning consent for something like that and if it was brought to our attention as already built, we'd demand retrospective PP. Not saying we'd give it or reject it, but more likely to say "oh OK, you've already done it. Fine". It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

All Planners are dead scared of rejecting an existing building, the costs are horrendous and not reclaimable from the property owner unless very lucky. If it did go to court judges don't like to be unpopular unless they really have to either.
^^^ This.

It's so true.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Busa mav said:
ColinM50 said:
I'm a Town Councillor and sit on our Planning Committee. We would need planning consent for something like that and if it was brought to our attention as already built, we'd demand retrospective PP.
You cannot say that from that photograph.

You can stamp your feet and demand all you want , but....

If that is going to be lower than 2.5m in o/a height, covers less than 50% of his garden and his permitted development rights are intact, you have absolutely no right to do so.
Of course Busa is right, it could well be within permitted development.

Garybee

452 posts

165 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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OneTwo said:
I've had a scan through of the guidance and I think it'll be very very close to the limits but time will tell. Thanks for the link.

Anyone else care to offer any opinion?
My initial feeling is that it'll be covered by permitted development rights. Of course it's close to the limits, he probably measured his garden and worked out what was the maximum he could build. Surely that's what any of us would do if we had a small garden and wanted an outbuilding?

With reference to informing building control...If I genuinely believed that there was no way it was legal I'd inform them. If I thought that there was a reasonable possibility that it was legal I'd leave it alone. If it's close to the size requirements then it's not going to make any real difference to you so why cause someone a load of aggro?

OneTwo

Original Poster:

374 posts

233 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Thanks for the feedback, seems like the collective opinions are split but its probably 'just' below the thresholds.

Rosscow

8,723 posts

162 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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I reckon he could be in trouble there. the 50% rule, I believe, covers all outbuildings. So that lean to shed there would also be included.

mel

10,168 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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But you've no idea at all how big his front garden is? It's 50% of the entire plot.