Does this need planning permission?

[BoRED S2upid]

OneTwo said:

Anyone else care to offer any opinion?

If they leave it as breeze blocks and don't render it your never going to be able to sell.

What is it? A bunker?

[OneTwo]

Apparently it will be rendered. Not sure what kind of roof it's getting though...

I have christened it 'the air raid shelter'.

[Mr GrimNasty]

OneTwo said:

With builder, for scale purposes. >2.5m? Bloody close I'd say.

Well the fence can't be more than 2m, it's clearly having a flat roof, so there's no way it is significantly over height wise, certainly not enough for planning to give a hoot.

[Gav147]

I would say that is under 2.5m, OP go and count the courses of blocks from the floor and multiply it by 0.225 that will give you the height (also add on on the roof Joists etc). As said though looking at it I'd be surprised if it was over, I would imagine they have looked into how big they can get away with and pushed it near enough to the limit.

Don't you just love planning, try and build a well designed extension that's just over the limit and you have to jump through hoops, want to build a big solid rendered box the full width of your garden no problem... just get on with it....

[Rosscow]

mel said:

But you've no idea at all how big his front garden is? It's 50% of the entire plot.

Good point!

[tleefox]

A standard fence panel is 6ft or 1.85m high - on the photos you've provided id say it's under 2.5m.

[Gav147]

tleefox said:

A standard fence panel is 6ft or 1.85m high - on the photos you've provided id say it's under 2.5m.

Hard to say from that angle as we're looking down on it, look at it compared to the single storey extension looks similar height to that too and that will be ~2.5m

[stevensdrs]

Rosscow said:

I reckon he could be in trouble there. the 50% rule, I believe, covers all outbuildings. So that lean to shed there would also be included.

Maybe the "lean to" is going to go after the bigger structure is complete.

[ColinM50]

The size of the plot is irrelevant, it's 50% of the original approved building. In this case excluding the leanto shed thing on the back

[Rosscow]

ColinM50 said:

The size of the plot is irrelevant, it's 50% of the original approved building. In this case excluding the leanto shed thing on the back

I think you may be wrong there, Colin. This is from the Planning Portal:

https://ecab.planningportal.co.uk/uploads/miniguid...

5. Outbuildings and other additions must not exceed 50% of the total area of land around the original house.
Sheds and all other outbuildings (see intro) and extensions to the original house must be included when calculating this 50% limit.

[SAB888]

OneTwo said:

With builder, for scale purposes. >2.5m? Bloody close I'd say.

Counting the blocks it looks to be about 2.2M as it stands.

[Richie Slow]

ColinM50 said:

The size of the plot is irrelevant, it's 50% of the original approved building. In this case excluding the leanto shed thing on the back

Could you provide a link for this please.

[It's fixable...]

OP of particular interest to you: I thought if the build was closer than 1m to boundary you need planning permission ?

And that is separate of whether the size and nature of the building was within permitted development rights or needed to comply with building regulations if over 30m2 ?

Also I understood that the sum total of any extension(s) to the main dwellinghouse could not be more than 50% of original unextended size.

Whereas for outbuilding(s) (of any type) they cannot cover more than 50% of the plot after the main building is subtracted.

Happy to be corrected.

[yellowtang]

It's fixable... said:

OP of particular interest to you: I thought if the build was closer than 1m to boundary you need planning permission ?.

Not quite - if the outbuilding is more than 1m from the nearest boundary - the total height allowed is 4m at the ridge and 2.5m at the eaves. If the outbuilding is less than 1m from the nearest boundary - the total height allowed is 2.5m for ridge and eaves. Outside of this, planning consent would be required.

[768]

Garybee said:

My initial feeling is that it'll be covered by permitted development rights. Of course it's close to the limits, he probably measured his garden and worked out what was the maximum he could build. Surely that's what any of us would do if we had a small garden and wanted an outbuilding?

Not sure I'd want my garden covered to that extent, but I get the sentiment and it does look like it's the approach he's taken.

[Busa mav]

Yellowtang,

Not quite

It needs to be 2m from the boundary if you want 4m high.

Edited by Busa mav on Saturday 2nd July 09:27

[Busa mav]

Richie Slow said:

ColinM50 said:

The size of the plot is irrelevant, it's 50% of the original approved building. In this case excluding the leanto shed thing on the back

Could you provide a link for this please.

He can't , because as normal when he talks about planning issues, he is wrong.

Typical local councillor.

[227bhp]

Busa mav said:

Yellowtang,

Not quite

It needs to be 2m from the boundary if you want 4m high.

Edited by Busa mav on Saturday 2nd July 09:27

Where is the total height measurement taken from?

[227bhp]

OneTwo said:

With builder, for scale purposes. >2.5m? Bloody close I'd say.

Is that a flat roof made from 3x2?

[Busa mav]

227bhp said:

Where is the total height measurement taken from?

Where the base of the building meets the natural ground level .

If the ground is sloping, its from the highest ground level, so the point that best favours you, assuming you are not the objector.