Gloss that stays white?

[Bikerjon]

I painted the kitchen doorframe a couple of months ago using Dulux pro gloss white and all looked well until I did the adjacent door frame today. I can't quite believe how yellow the 2 month old paint is compared to the door I did today - not good. I have heard of these kind of issues with manufacturers changing the formula but I've always used Dulux in the past and generally been very happy with the results. This is just the beginning of a rather large gloss job and it's not a job I want to repeat any time soon - if ever!

I'm wondering if I should quickly switch to another type of paint? I know the water based ones are supposed to stay white but the last time I tried one the finish was nowhere near as good as traditional oil based. Anyone have any recommendations or advice?

[Wacky Racer]

I've virtually given up using white paint for this very reason, normally use a VERY light grey (almost white), never have any problems.....of course if it has to be white I will use it.

[Prohibiting]

I find Satinwood is much better than gloss. Gloss is a little dated now don't you think? I don't know anyone who uses gloss anymore.

[sparkythecat]

Just do A PH search for white gloss. There have been quite a few threads on this. The consensus is that since the formula of oil based paints was changed to exclude some additives, they are all now like your grandads underpants, and go prematurely yellow.
Water based paints stay white for longer, but as youve alreadyy said,don't give as nice a finish.

[EViS]

We only use gloss (oil based) if it's absolutely crucial (i.e. skirting boards in a bathroom - yes people do request these sometimes!). Otherwise, I find Dulux (and Johnstones) waterbased satinwood excellent when rollered on.

[Bikerjon]

Prohibiting said:

I find Satinwood is much better than gloss. Gloss is a little dated now don't you think? I don't know anyone who uses gloss anymore.

Yes lots of people say that, but I personally prefer a decent gloss finish providing the wood surface is perfect - which it is. Harder wearing too.

[Stickyfinger]

Take off the doors, prep them and take them to a Auto Sprayer to gloss paint.

[sherman]

Does the OP or anyone else smoke in his house?

[Bikerjon]

sherman said:

Does the OP or anyone else smoke in his house?

Nope, although seeing as it's the kitchen door frame I'm wondering if cooking has had some effect.

[Stickyfinger]

It IS a modern Low VOC formulation problem....any brush type paint will yellow these days.
As said, get them sprayed, or get rattle cans made up with with cellulose.

[V8RX7]

Bikerjon said:

sherman said:

Does the OP or anyone else smoke in his house?

Nope, although seeing as it's the kitchen door frame I'm wondering if cooking has had some effect.

It's the paint.

It yellows in weeks - it's disgraceful that it's allowed to be sold without a warning.

I know people have sued and won reasonable costs to have the job re done (in water based)

[Bikerjon]

V8RX7 said:

It's the paint.

It yellows in weeks - it's disgraceful that it's allowed to be sold without a warning.

I know people have sued and won reasonable costs to have the job re done (in water based)

I think you're right. I'm so glad I questioned this before going any further! It's just not worth buying any more. I'll try a water-based satin.

[mikeiow]

I've started using "RONSEAL STAYS WHITE NON DRIP ONE COAT PAINT" in the hope it does exactly what it says on the tin......
Sadly only 6 months in, in our sunroom: looks good to me so far!

[Emeye]

I heard that Dulux pro eggshell is the way to go - expensive and I can't confirm though, as I've not tried it myself yet.

[megaphone]

I gave up on gloss after doing a bedroom, spent ages getting it nice, only for it to yellow a few months later.

I now use Dulux satinwood, problem is it's like painting with milk! Very thin and watery, have to do multiple coats, I use a roller on doors, it works quite well.

[guindilias]

mikeiow said:

I've started using "RONSEAL STAYS WHITE NON DRIP ONE COAT PAINT" in the hope it does exactly what it says on the tin......
Sadly only 6 months in, in our sunroom: looks good to me so far!

Wasn't the issue that the stuff would stay white if in sunlight, as yours is, but yellow if not? Maybe I am remembering wrongly...

[megaphone]

Yes sun is good, keeps the gloss white. The problem is areas without direct sunlight, in my bedroom the skirting boards and the back of the door yellowed within weeks, window sill stayed white, accept for the area where we had a vase sitting, moved the vase and their was a yellow circle underneath.

[Humpy D]

Johnstone's Aqua.

Make sure you use a good quality synthetic brush and I'd recommend using the undercoat too. With most w/b paints though there is a slightly different technique needed. Basically slap it on, lay it off and then leave it. I've been really pleased with it.

I use the gloss but they also do a satin.

[Thorodin]

Complaints about poor finish almost always are because of poor substrate. Most people paint over old paint, assuming it had perfect prep originally. If you can, take door off and lay flat, strip, prime, flat, undercoat, one light topcoat, second light topcoat. That's why the DIY market is so big, paying a pro a going rate for the right job is expensive. If it loses gloss, he'll do it again. With 2/3 hour recoat water based, the time is halved.

[DrDeAtH]

Humpy D said:

Johnstone's Aqua.

Make sure you use a good quality synthetic brush and I'd recommend using the undercoat too. With most w/b paints though there is a slightly different technique needed. Basically slap it on, lay it off and then leave it. I've been really pleased with it.

I use the gloss but they also do a satin.

+1. Oil based has pretty much had its day now.