My *VERY* diy garden kitchen build, BBQ and pizza oven heavy

My *VERY* diy garden kitchen build, BBQ and pizza oven heavy

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sidekickdmr

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5,078 posts

207 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Yes the wall will be double skinned on the retaining section, the soil is very solid and full of slate and the garden/woods has lots of steep non retained walls that havnt moved for years, so dont think it will be an issue.

21TonyK said:
Just an observation. The prep. space between the pizza oven and the webber is a tight corner. Going to get awful hot in there if both are fired up!

Maybe add portable island in the middle? Something that can be wheeled out for the summer and stored in winter? Something akin to a butchers block?

Edit: And the webber, does that sit "in" the top or just within a hole with an airspace between the bowl and the top? Just thinking about scorched timbers.

Edited by 21TonyK on Monday 15th August 10:21
the walls are only worktop high (so good airflow) and the space is a little bigger than it looks on the pic, but yes it could get a little warm. There will also be some worktop space to either side of the pizza oven (the triangle gaps) so that will be extra worktop space.

Im going to make a heatsheld for the weber out of proper firebricks, so the wood wont be within scorching distance of anything hot.

Harry Flashman

19,400 posts

243 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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The Weber Kettle, while looking cool, has one serious drawback - the grill is not height adjustable. I barely use mine anymore, preferring a much cheaper barbecue I have where you can move the grill up and down...

21TonyK

11,553 posts

210 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Are you making the table as well? The one thing I miss is a twelve seater bench I built at our last place. Made regular entertaining great fun.

sidekickdmr

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5,078 posts

207 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Good point about the weber not having height adjustment, but at least I can move things between the gas and weber if I really need to

Yes the table is being built in, the base made in the same slate cladding and scaffold boards as the worktop.

21TonyK

11,553 posts

210 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
The Weber Kettle, while looking cool, has one serious drawback - the grill is not height adjustable. I barely use mine anymore, preferring a much cheaper barbecue I have where you can move the grill up and down...
One day...

http://gauchogarcia.com/

real bbq, not sure its worth three grand though!

alock

4,232 posts

212 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've been thinking of making a built-in BBQ in our garden and using an old off-cut of granite we have as a work top.

I really like the idea of the BBQ being flush with the worktop like this but not many people seem to build them this way.


The downsides I can see are that getting a height adjustable coal rack is harder than a height adjustable grill and I will probably have to forgo the lid, but we rarely use it when using our current BBQ anyway.

Am I missing any other issues with building it like this?

sidekickdmr

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5,078 posts

207 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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alock said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've been thinking of making a built-in BBQ in our garden and using an old off-cut of granite we have as a work top.

I really like the idea of the BBQ being flush with the worktop like this but not many people seem to build them this way.


The downsides I can see are that getting a height adjustable coal rack is harder than a height adjustable grill and I will probably have to forgo the lid, but we rarely use it when using our current BBQ anyway.

Am I missing any other issues with building it like this?
I looked at using granite for some sections of my worktops but apparently it can crack with heat, and your design would get very hot.

Ive no first hand experiance, and im sure it would be fine, but something to look into.

Lesgrandepotato

372 posts

100 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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With no lid how will you cook indirect for Chicken etc? or are you just looking to scorch some snorkers?

paul_y3k

618 posts

209 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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looks like the OP and I have very similar plans ... but I'm still in the drawing it up stage.
Will post a separate thread once I take some pictures.

(commenting so I don't lose track of this thread)

Lesgrandepotato

372 posts

100 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Indeed me too, I've got as far as acquiring the BBQ's (Weber Kettle and a Brinkmann Smoker) and I've negototiated a nice spot in the garden by the stream / waterfall.

Thinking slate for a prep surface and a set of more freestanding BBQ's plus some sort of bottle lift for dunking and chilling bottles..

alock

4,232 posts

212 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Lesgrandepotato said:
With no lid how will you cook indirect for Chicken etc? or are you just looking to scorch some snorkers?
We generally don't BBQ things like that anymore. It's just grilling sausages, burgers, steaks, etc... There would be nothing stopping me putting a loose lid on like we have on our weber portable kettle which we take camping.

RevsPerMinute

1,876 posts

222 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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21TonyK said:
Harry Flashman said:
The Weber Kettle, while looking cool, has one serious drawback - the grill is not height adjustable. I barely use mine anymore, preferring a much cheaper barbecue I have where you can move the grill up and down...
One day...

http://gauchogarcia.com/

real bbq, not sure its worth three grand though!
eeer the clues in the name. That is not a BBQ.



Its a grill.

shakotan

10,714 posts

197 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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RevsPerMinute said:
21TonyK said:
Harry Flashman said:
The Weber Kettle, while looking cool, has one serious drawback - the grill is not height adjustable. I barely use mine anymore, preferring a much cheaper barbecue I have where you can move the grill up and down...
One day...

http://gauchogarcia.com/

real bbq, not sure its worth three grand though!
eeer the clues in the name. That is not a BBQ.



Its a grill.
It's an American product. Grill/BBQ are interchangeable terms.

RevsPerMinute

1,876 posts

222 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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shakotan said:
RevsPerMinute said:
21TonyK said:
Harry Flashman said:
The Weber Kettle, while looking cool, has one serious drawback - the grill is not height adjustable. I barely use mine anymore, preferring a much cheaper barbecue I have where you can move the grill up and down...
One day...

http://gauchogarcia.com/

real bbq, not sure its worth three grand though!
eeer the clues in the name. That is not a BBQ.



Its a grill.
It's an American product. Grill/BBQ are interchangeable terms.
The assumption that they are interchangeable terms is defiantly not from America!

Grill- To cook quickly over moderate-to-high direct heat.
BBQ - To cook slowly using low indirect heat.

Sorry to be pedantic but they are both very different methods of cooking, often you can grill on BBQ but rarely can you BBQ on a grill.



Berz

406 posts

193 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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RevsPerMinute said:
The assumption that they are interchangeable terms is defiantly not from America!

Grill- To cook quickly over moderate-to-high direct heat.
BBQ - To cook slowly using low indirect heat.

Sorry to be pedantic but they are both very different methods of cooking, often you can grill on BBQ but rarely can you BBQ on a grill.
In my electric oven the element for the grill is above the rack so I am cooking quickly under a moderate-to-high direct heat. Am I still grilling? wink

RevsPerMinute

1,876 posts

222 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Berz said:
RevsPerMinute said:
The assumption that they are interchangeable terms is defiantly not from America!

Grill- To cook quickly over moderate-to-high direct heat.
BBQ - To cook slowly using low indirect heat.

Sorry to be pedantic but they are both very different methods of cooking, often you can grill on BBQ but rarely can you BBQ on a grill.
In my electric oven the element for the grill is above the rack so I am cooking quickly under a moderate-to-high direct heat. Am I still grilling? wink
No, you have installed your oven wrong, rotate it 180 degrees.

Berz

406 posts

193 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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RevsPerMinute said:
Berz said:
RevsPerMinute said:
The assumption that they are interchangeable terms is defiantly not from America!

Grill- To cook quickly over moderate-to-high direct heat.
BBQ - To cook slowly using low indirect heat.

Sorry to be pedantic but they are both very different methods of cooking, often you can grill on BBQ but rarely can you BBQ on a grill.
In my electric oven the element for the grill is above the rack so I am cooking quickly under a moderate-to-high direct heat. Am I still grilling? wink
No, you have installed your oven wrong, rotate it 180 degrees.
Would attaching the food to the underside of the rack have the same effect?

otolith

56,310 posts

205 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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The southern US idea of what "barbecue" is seems to be becoming popular, but it's by no means universal or standard. In lots of places it still means cooking directly over charcoal.

EJH

934 posts

210 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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Whilst the grille on the Weber isn’t adjustable, the heat output is pretty adjustable, using the top and bottom vents. To that end, is it worth the OP considering:

1 Maybe using a mastertouch (dumps ash out of the bottom so could be tidier) and
2 Making sure there’s airflow underneath the Weber once it’s built in?

Rather enjoying the look of this thread. My back garden is tiny-tiny-tiny so projects on this scale are rather interesting!

Lesgrandepotato

372 posts

100 months

Monday 15th August 2016
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I think the weber will need access from below to clean the ash pan anyway? maybe best to build it into a recess with an opening front?