planning refused for garage due to potential impact to tree

planning refused for garage due to potential impact to tree

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N24

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1,113 posts

239 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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I've three old sheds in one corner of front garden which id like to replace with a garage. They're all under the canopy of neighbours copper beech which is pretty substantial in size.

The plan was to protect the tree by using piles then bridging the walls upon these in order not to compact roots, council seems to have ignored or misunderstood this construction method & refused planning.

Any thoughts on ways to progress - I'm going to try to meet with the planners to explain in further detail how the construction would take place and had assumed that using piles was the correct method when building near trees?

thanks

joshcowin

6,800 posts

176 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Did the architect/designer not submit the plans?

Why are you dealing with this and not a construction professional?


blueg33

35,843 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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This need a tree expert. You usually have to hand dig around tree roots and there are restrictions on raising or lowering ground levels, piles are not the usually accepted answer. Did you agree the methodology with the planners? Did you discuss with the tree officer?

The ONLY way to get this sort of thing approved is to agree the method with the planners and the tree officer, prepare a detailed method statement and employ a reputable contractor who has done this stuff before

Even then, with an important tree you may still get a refusal

N24

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Thursday 15th September 2016
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Yes - I think thats the approach I'll need to take - I've been trying to follow up myself as the builder isnt the most proactive & no doubt has many other projects on the go at the same time...

It would be useful to have some reference sites where similar work has been conducted - I'm sure this can't be the first time anyone has built near trees.

blueg33

35,843 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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We built a road over tree roots in Norfolk last year. It was a hand dig solution and a right PITA by all accounts

Busa mav

2,562 posts

154 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Are you sure you can't do this under permitted development ?

Plus , a raft may be less intrusive on the lifestyle of the tree

N24

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239 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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As it;s in front of the house - ie nearer the road i guess it needs planning - so not within the permitted planning rules. I'm stumped with this as I have three tree's with TPO's plus neighbours with the same that there isn't a location that's ideal for a garage.

I think the build method was to use piles then slabs across them so that there was no digging down into the ground other than for the piles themselves - again to minimise any impact to the tree.

davepen

1,460 posts

270 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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We've just received Planning Permission at the second attempt. The first was rejected as we needed a certified tree report and method statement, which wasn't discovered by the planner until the last minute. The planner wanted us to withdraw, I preferred to get the report issued. We're in a conservation area, so trees have effective TPO. At least the rejected application gave us listed, highways design and conservation agreement.

Still not convinced the foundation needs to be capable of a 10 storey building. Raft wasn't acceptable to Arborial-cultural expert, we consulted, perhaps we needed to find another...

N24

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Thursday 15th September 2016
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davepen said:
We've just received Planning Permission at the second attempt. The first was rejected as we needed a certified tree report and method statement, which wasn't discovered by the planner until the last minute. The planner wanted us to withdraw, I preferred to get the report issued. We're in a conservation area, so trees have effective TPO. At least the rejected application gave us listed, highways design and conservation agreement.

Still not convinced the foundation needs to be capable of a 10 storey building. Raft wasn't acceptable to Arborial-cultural expert, we consulted, perhaps we needed to find another...
Same comment from my planners "withdraw or we'll refuse it" - did you use a raft in the end - was that approved?

thanks!

Muncher

12,219 posts

249 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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You need a friendly aboricultural consultant and designer that can put the right spin on things. We got permission to put a massive thick raft foundation under a protected tree recently.

bristolbaron

4,815 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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N24 said:
I'm stumped with this
ISWYDT clap

N24

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239 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Muncher said:
You need a friendly aboricultural consultant and designer that can put the right spin on things. We got permission to put a massive thick raft foundation under a protected tree recently.
Totally - any recommendations ?

blueg33

35,843 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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bristolbaron said:
N24 said:
I'm stumped with this
ISWYDT clap
Took me a while to twig

Spudler

3,985 posts

196 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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As mentioned you will have to hand dig and snip any small roots, you won't be allowed to cut big ones.
Build off pads with either block & beam or cast a slab. It's not as straightforward as it sounds, if your architect is any good he'll enlighten you.
Piles are a no go.

Muncher

12,219 posts

249 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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N24 said:
Totally - any recommendations ?
Where are you based?

KAgantua

3,869 posts

131 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Can you not branch out and hire an arborculturalist to produce a report supporting your build?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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kill the tree

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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KAgantua said:
Can you not branch out and hire an arborculturalist to produce a report supporting your build?
Leave it out!

N24

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239 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Some of these puns are so old I sawdust on them hehe


blueg33

35,843 posts

224 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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SystemParanoia said:
kill the tree
So your advice to op is commit a criminal act! Not ideal IMO