planning refused for garage due to potential impact to tree

planning refused for garage due to potential impact to tree

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SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

197 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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blueg33 said:
SystemParanoia said:
kill the tree
So your advice to op is commit a criminal act! Not ideal IMO
accidentally kill the tree hehe

N24

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1,113 posts

238 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Based in Reading, Berks.

The neighbours tree is a very large copper beech - quite attractive really so I'd rather not impact it, let alone accidentally kill it if I can avoid it! The lime tree in my garden isn't at all attractive tho....

blueg33

35,588 posts

223 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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SystemParanoia said:
blueg33 said:
SystemParanoia said:
kill the tree
So your advice to op is commit a criminal act! Not ideal IMO
accidentally kill the tree hehe
Remains a criminal act

Harry Flashman

19,283 posts

241 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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If your builder shoots for something unrealistic, the planners will think he's barking. You need at least the seeds of a decent plan. Get a proper planning/tree consultant - I wood.

Busa mav

2,556 posts

153 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Wokingham or Reading council.

A local builder I deal with asked about a similar situation a few months back for his brothers house ,and I told him he would never get planning for the garage , not Stewart's brother are you ?

N24

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1,113 posts

238 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Busa mav said:
Wokingham or Reading council.

A local builder I deal with asked about a similar situation a few months back for his brothers house ,and I told him he would never get planning for the garage , not Stewart's brother are you ?
Reading, & no - don't know a Stewart!

KAgantua

3,848 posts

130 months

Monday 19th September 2016
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Yew could just not believe it

N24

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1,113 posts

238 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Council planners have requested a tree survey - any suggestions/recommendations for a tree surveyor for Reading/Berks/south Oxon area??

cheers

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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blueg33 said:
bristolbaron said:
N24 said:
I'm stumped with this
ISWYDT clap
Took me a while to twig
Sometimes I just can't see the wood for the trees.

blueg33

35,588 posts

223 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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N24 said:
Council planners have requested a tree survey - any suggestions/recommendations for a tree surveyor for Reading/Berks/south Oxon area??

cheers
I dont know one in that patch but you could look at planning consents online to see who acted

Slushbox

1,484 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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N24 said:
Council planners have requested a tree survey - any suggestions/recommendations for a tree surveyor for Reading/Berks/south Oxon area??

cheers
JohnstonArb cover that area. Disclaimer, I drive for them occasionally, but they are ex-council, and know the wrinkles. Probably need access to neighbours property to measure girth.

01329 800 400

https://sites.google.com/site/johnstonarb/


Edited by Slushbox on Saturday 1st October 11:58

N24

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238 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Thanks - I'll give them a bell.

archie456

417 posts

221 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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A very well respected tree man is Hugo Loudon, at Heritage Tree Services

N24

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1,113 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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Used the specialist recommended - good call - thanks!

So now the tree has been condemned as it has a massive dose of fungal rot - roots & trunk up to 3m high is hollow/like balsa. Shame as it's a beautiful tree.

Now council have refused planning as garage isn't in keeping with the street scene!

House is victorian with gable ended rooftops, garage design has similar pitch & roof top, and the entire garage will be mainly hidden from view as it's in a corner surrounded by evergreen hedging. Their description of garage is "it;s just a box with a lid", yet the neighbouring houses are 1970's, low built, concrete-brick & of no beauty.

Any thoughts on getting past their street scene objection - sounds like personal opinion as I can't find any references to measure this against?

thanks!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

197 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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N24 said:
Used the specialist recommended - good call - thanks!

So now the tree has been condemned as it has a massive dose of fungal rot - roots & trunk up to 3m high is hollow/like balsa. Shame as it's a beautiful tree.

Now council have refused planning as garage isn't in keeping with the street scene!

House is victorian with gable ended rooftops, garage design has similar pitch & roof top, and the entire garage will be mainly hidden from view as it's in a corner surrounded by evergreen hedging. Their description of garage is "it;s just a box with a lid", yet the neighbouring houses are 1970's, low built, concrete-brick & of no beauty.

Any thoughts on getting past their street scene objection - sounds like personal opinion as I can't find any references to measure this against?

thanks!
that's some good accidental killing wink
nice work hehe

blueg33

35,588 posts

223 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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N24 said:
Used the specialist recommended - good call - thanks!

So now the tree has been condemned as it has a massive dose of fungal rot - roots & trunk up to 3m high is hollow/like balsa. Shame as it's a beautiful tree.

Now council have refused planning as garage isn't in keeping with the street scene!

House is victorian with gable ended rooftops, garage design has similar pitch & roof top, and the entire garage will be mainly hidden from view as it's in a corner surrounded by evergreen hedging. Their description of garage is "it;s just a box with a lid", yet the neighbouring houses are 1970's, low built, concrete-brick & of no beauty.

Any thoughts on getting past their street scene objection - sounds like personal opinion as I can't find any references to measure this against?

thanks!
We need to see drawings and pics of the street to comment

Trust me, planning is a lottery. I hate it. Just had a major application 90 units deferred on the day of committee because the planning admin team "forgot" to properly consult highways. Cost to my business circa £250k, cost to public purse of the delay at least £128k.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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N24 said:
House is victorian with gable ended rooftops, garage design has similar pitch & roof top, and the entire garage will be mainly hidden from view as it's in a corner surrounded by evergreen hedging. Their description of garage is "it;s just a box with a lid", yet the neighbouring houses are 1970's, low built, concrete-brick & of no beauty.

Any thoughts on getting past their street scene objection - sounds like personal opinion as I can't find any references to measure this against?

thanks!
Similar pitch and roof top, but what about the ends? It's all about the detailing really - if the house was mock tudor they'd likely want a mock tudor garage.

N24

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1,113 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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I've tried to mimic the house in the garage - trying to get hold of the planning officer to see if we can meet on site to discuss this - but really the garage is a mini version of one end of the house. I want it all in keeping more than they will - but you're right it doesn't seem all that straightforward let alone consistent.

Venom

1,853 posts

258 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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blueg33 said:
We need to see drawings and pics of the street to comment

Trust me, planning is a lottery. I hate it. Just had a major application 90 units deferred on the day of committee because the planning admin team "forgot" to properly consult highways. Cost to my business circa £250k, cost to public purse of the delay at least £128k.
Had a similar one recently - monthly delays cost us £330k, eventually got permission 6 months after statutory target date with very little input from us other than answering questions to which the detail should have been obvious from our original submission. Sadly, with government cuts there are now fewer and fewer competent, experienced planners working for local authorities, most decent ones upped and left for the private sector.

Back to the OP, design is very subjective. If you feel strongly enough that the Council's reasons for refusal are weak, you can appeal to the Planning Inspectorate. You can do this by the 'written reps' process, filling in forms online and paying a small fee. It takes a while though, due to the sheer number of applications for appeal in the system. You'd need to be able to clearly articulate why you consider that the garage would not be out of character or harmful to the street scene. Focus on things like scale, use of materials compared with things around you, loss of light or not, as the case may be, and what you can do to soften the impact - plant a nice hedge between it and the road/neighbours, for example.

bimsb6

8,034 posts

220 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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N24 said:
Used the specialist recommended - good call - thanks!

So now the tree has been condemned as it has a massive dose of fungal rot - roots & trunk up to 3m high is hollow/like balsa. Shame as it's a beautiful tree.


thanks!
That should please your neighbours ! Presumably they will now have to have it felled?