Neighbour being a bell-end
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Slyjoe said:
A car port type shelter, bbq area type of thing.
Assuming this is in front of the property, wouldn't this need planning permission? You could be a bellend right back here.ETA link - https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commo...
Surely the coping stones are part of the wall and should stay in their entirety? I assume he's not going to dig down and ensure that any wall foundations are perfectly flush with the brick?
You wouldn't go cutting people's gutters and gables off at the same time would you? Neither would you leave a course of red bricks uncapped and open to the elements...just my 2p worth...
You wouldn't go cutting people's gutters and gables off at the same time would you? Neither would you leave a course of red bricks uncapped and open to the elements...just my 2p worth...
Slyjoe said:
Not to that degree - they show that we own the wall, not that we can't have a 1cm overhang onto his property.
I would have thought that its reasonable that a wall that did benefit the pair of us, could have a 1cm overhang onto his side. There again - I never commissioned or built it.
Does bell-end behaviour equal criminal damage or does it just quantify that he's a bell-end?
How does the deeds tell you that its your wall? It might indicate with red line or a 'T' that its 'your' boundary responsibility, but can you be sure that the wall wasnt built by a previous neighbour on their land?I would have thought that its reasonable that a wall that did benefit the pair of us, could have a 1cm overhang onto his side. There again - I never commissioned or built it.
Does bell-end behaviour equal criminal damage or does it just quantify that he's a bell-end?
If the wall was built like it is contemporaneously with the house or it has been there 20 years, he can't touch it.
Loads of properties are built with gutters etc. overhanging the boundary wall - do you think neighbours all over the country can start ripping gutters down and chopping eaves off of roofs?
Loads of properties are built with gutters etc. overhanging the boundary wall - do you think neighbours all over the country can start ripping gutters down and chopping eaves off of roofs?
Surely the stones (including overhang) are part of the wall? The wall that's yours? I own all the fences round my property, they all have a small wood cap on top, could my neighbough really knock the caps back to be flush on their side? I doubt it. The wall has a job to do and the stones are part of it.
Slyjoe said:
We have a single brick thickness wall separating our drive from the neighbours drive, with coping stones on top. About 20 foot long.
This is my wall.
We both bought our houses with this wall intact.
Whilst at work, they removed one of the coping stones, damaging 2 courses of bricks below.
He's then cemented a big steel post flush up against the wall.
I asked WTF he was doing, and he said they intended to cut my coping stone around his post.
He claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state - as I understand it any damage to the coping stone will allow water and consequently frost into the wall.
At this point he goes spastic, and says my top coping stones are overhanging his property (as they probably are by about 10mm) and he was going to cut all of them off.
I subdued the situation with the wives also raising voices, and for the sake of neighbourly relations relented that he could cut my stone around his post - against my better judgment.
Now assuming I'm not happy with his repair, or if things kick off again, is he allowed to cut my overhanging stones off?
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Your neighbour is being a bellend?This is my wall.
We both bought our houses with this wall intact.
Whilst at work, they removed one of the coping stones, damaging 2 courses of bricks below.
He's then cemented a big steel post flush up against the wall.
I asked WTF he was doing, and he said they intended to cut my coping stone around his post.
He claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state - as I understand it any damage to the coping stone will allow water and consequently frost into the wall.
At this point he goes spastic, and says my top coping stones are overhanging his property (as they probably are by about 10mm) and he was going to cut all of them off.
I subdued the situation with the wives also raising voices, and for the sake of neighbourly relations relented that he could cut my stone around his post - against my better judgment.
Now assuming I'm not happy with his repair, or if things kick off again, is he allowed to cut my overhanging stones off?
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Have you any ability to look at things from other people's point of view?
He thought it was his wall, took off a coping stone to put in a post. You come back and go spastic at him and he says "Oh, sorry- I thought it was mine. In any case the stone is encroaching my land so Ill just cut around the post" which is completely reasonable and you are still huffing about.
You're both as bad as each other and are going to make s
t neighbours, for sure.blindswelledrat said:
Slyjoe said:
We have a single brick thickness wall separating our drive from the neighbours drive, with coping stones on top. About 20 foot long.
This is my wall.
We both bought our houses with this wall intact.
Whilst at work, they removed one of the coping stones, damaging 2 courses of bricks below.
He's then cemented a big steel post flush up against the wall.
I asked WTF he was doing, and he said they intended to cut my coping stone around his post.
He claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state - as I understand it any damage to the coping stone will allow water and consequently frost into the wall.
At this point he goes spastic, and says my top coping stones are overhanging his property (as they probably are by about 10mm) and he was going to cut all of them off.
I subdued the situation with the wives also raising voices, and for the sake of neighbourly relations relented that he could cut my stone around his post - against my better judgment.
Now assuming I'm not happy with his repair, or if things kick off again, is he allowed to cut my overhanging stones off?
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Your neighbour is being a bellend?This is my wall.
We both bought our houses with this wall intact.
Whilst at work, they removed one of the coping stones, damaging 2 courses of bricks below.
He's then cemented a big steel post flush up against the wall.
I asked WTF he was doing, and he said they intended to cut my coping stone around his post.
He claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state - as I understand it any damage to the coping stone will allow water and consequently frost into the wall.
At this point he goes spastic, and says my top coping stones are overhanging his property (as they probably are by about 10mm) and he was going to cut all of them off.
I subdued the situation with the wives also raising voices, and for the sake of neighbourly relations relented that he could cut my stone around his post - against my better judgment.
Now assuming I'm not happy with his repair, or if things kick off again, is he allowed to cut my overhanging stones off?
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Have you any ability to look at things from other people's point of view?
He thought it was his wall, took off a coping stone to put in a post. You come back and go spastic at him and he says "Oh, sorry- I thought it was mine. In any case the stone is encroaching my land so Ill just cut around the post" which is completely reasonable and you are still huffing about.
You're both as bad as each other and are going to make s
t neighbours, for sure.That's nothing at all like you described it in your first post
"Naturally asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state".
Not sure how I could have got that so wrong!
slyjoe said:
I asked WTF he was doing, and he said they intended to cut my coping stone around his post.
He claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state
I read that as you asked him "WTF he was doing", and then I read that when he made the perfectly reasonable suggestion of cutting around the post youHe claimed he thought the wall was his.
Naturally I asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state
"Naturally asked for my wall to be returned to its previous state".
Not sure how I could have got that so wrong!
Mandat said:
ATTAK Z said:
Demand a party wall agreement via solicitor's letter, then he'll have to tell you his intentions
If the wall belongs to the OP, like he says, then it won't be a party wall.That aside, this whole thread seems a little OTT anyway and it sounds from the OP like a massive overreaction.
Slyjoe said:
Afraid it's the only way to adequately describe his reaction.
His reaction was that of a bully who'd been proved wrong, and thrown all of his toys out so he could get his own way.
Well then describe him as such and not inappropriately liken him to someone who is disabled.His reaction was that of a bully who'd been proved wrong, and thrown all of his toys out so he could get his own way.
Slyjoe said:
Pistonheads can be funny at times - sometimes you get an answer straight away from people that have been in this situation, or you get Social Justice warriors pop up attacking the OP for being unreasonable.
Sometimes the way posts are written will influence how much its readers give a toss about helping the OP. On this occasion, I don't give one, so I hope someone else can give you good advice on how to be a good natured human being.Having been involved in quite a number of boundary disputes (for this is what you are having) the one thing they ALL have in common is lots of opinions I'm afraid.
I would be inclined to view the injury to the coping stones without prior discussion an irritation rather than anything more. Chap B may well have thought it was up to him what he did on his side of the wall but not to speak about it first suggests oafishness to one degree or another.
The longer term proposal that requires this girder erection may well prove more significant. Have details of the proposal been shown to you OP?
And nobody, ever, can tell you a boundary is accurate to 10mm. *
*Surveyor caveat: unless there are 2 defined points at each end of a line that can be identified from a plan and there are dimensions from each of those points to a line defined as the boundary. In that case the dimensions would be relevant and define the boundary, but any line on a drawing on which they were represented would not.
I would be inclined to view the injury to the coping stones without prior discussion an irritation rather than anything more. Chap B may well have thought it was up to him what he did on his side of the wall but not to speak about it first suggests oafishness to one degree or another.
The longer term proposal that requires this girder erection may well prove more significant. Have details of the proposal been shown to you OP?
And nobody, ever, can tell you a boundary is accurate to 10mm. *
*Surveyor caveat: unless there are 2 defined points at each end of a line that can be identified from a plan and there are dimensions from each of those points to a line defined as the boundary. In that case the dimensions would be relevant and define the boundary, but any line on a drawing on which they were represented would not.
Unless you live in northern Scotland the lack of coping stones isn't going to have a drastic effect on your wall it's going to take decades for frost shattering to effect the wall of its been built properly. However him chopping off all the overhangs is going to look st might be a problem if you tried to sell. Let him cut it around his fence post. Do you really need a situation with them long term?
t might be a problem if you tried to sell. Let him cut it around his fence post. Do you really need a situation with them long term? Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff