Victorian detached houses.

[Welshbeef]

MDMA . said:

Welshbeef said:

That Victorian house how much is the slate on that?

Your price or reality price?

I asked a aimple question answer if you now or mute.

[MDMA .]

Id say between 50-75 sqm front and the same behind. Plus maybe the same for the L shaped rear. 300sqm max. £9k in slate.

Is the £100k slate you quote from the same place that sells £26k ovens? Bet they have them in pallets at £10k a pop

[Welshbeef]

MDMA . said:

Id say between 50-75 sqm front and the same behind. Plus maybe the same for the L shaped rear. 300sqm max. £9k in slate.

Is the £100k slate you quote from the same place that sells £26k ovens? Bet they have them in pallets at £10k a pop

https://m.johnlewis.com/wolf-icbdf484cg-dual-fuel-range-cooker-stainless-steel/p/231054815

This one is smaller possibly 2/3rds the size of the pic I posted up

[Blakeatron]

I am renovating an early victorian nunnery into a family home - walls are 24" thick and bigger in places, built on bedrock, massively oversized solid oak roof beams and internal lintels.

Not actually slept there or lived there, first fix witring and electrics are complete with new windows next week and then plastering over christmas.

So far the one installed log burner is more than enough to heat the place.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Lead pipework
Cast iron guttering & sometimes lead
Vast chimney stacks which all need Re pointing
Old wiring
Ceptic tanks
Chimney breasts which seep smoke into bedrooms so lining all of them.
Covings which are bespoke and cost a fortune to repair
Bespoke roses (lights) which get damaged cost a fortune to fix
Rotten weather boards
Rotting roof woodwork
Wetrot
Dry rot
Single glazing
Cold
Did I say cold

Is this stuff you've
(a) imagined
(b) read about
(c) been told about by a mate
(d) been told about by someone who's experienced it
(e) have personal experience of?

Having only ever lived in a London Georgian terraced house and a London very early Edwardian semi for the last 30 years, and having just replaced the roof on the latter for £25k, I recognise very little of what you've written as reality.

[Welshbeef]

Greg66 said:

Is this stuff you've
(a) imagined
(b) read about
(c) been told about by a mate
(d) been told about by someone who's experienced it
(e) have personal experience of?

Having only ever lived in a London Georgian terraced house and a London very early Edwardian semi for the last 30 years, and having just replaced the roof on the latter for £25k, I recognise very little of what you've written as reality.

It is yes.

[dazwalsh]

Its the one period where I think stuff was built properly. I have a victorian end terrace that i used to live in and would move back in in a heartbeat were it not for a growing family. I bet the victorian house will outlive this POS new build im in and its already had a 140 year head start.

Whilst I very much enjoy combined utility bills of <£1000pa I hate the squeeky chipboard floors, having to hang crap on the walls with plasterboard fixings rather than rawl plugs and a general feeling of living in a characterless box built as cheaply and as quickly as possible. Not my sort of thing.

[Uggers]

Welshbeef said:

Lead pipework
Cast iron guttering & sometimes lead
Vast chimney stacks which all need Re pointing
Old wiring
Ceptic tanks
Chimney breasts which seep smoke into bedrooms so lining all of them.
Covings which are bespoke and cost a fortune to repair
Bespoke roses (lights) which get damaged cost a fortune to fix
Rotten weather boards
Rotting roof woodwork
Wetrot
Dry rot
Single glazing
Cold
Did I say cold

All symptoms of inadequate maintenance over 100 years. The very fact that most of them are still standing and been lived in despite this lack of care is testament to the fact they are very well made. Don't do any maintenance to a modern econobox for 100 years and see how much of it is still there.

I lived in a beige shoebox situated on a postage stamp of land for a long time, I figured that where I am to spend most of my life needs to be something that I look forward to waking up in and spending time in everyday. Something unremarkable to live in that simply saves utility bills and a bit of maintenance so they can spend more time watching the telly or on facebook is not for everyone.

[jason61c]

Welshbeef said:

The problems are roofs can be easily over £100k on slates alone/it's cheaper to demolish and build a new house in its place if work is stacking up.

Its not the 1st of April.

I've a massive roof, It'd be 10k to do it in slate, 3 weeks work.

[TA14]

MDMA . said:

Id say between 50-75 sqm front and the same behind. Plus maybe the same for the L shaped rear. 300sqm max. £9k in slate.

Is the £100k slate you quote from the same place that sells £26k ovens? Bet they have them in pallets at £10k a pop

Nah, that's a £1/4 mil house with a £1M roof innit?

[jason61c]

Welshbeef said:

Lead pipework
Cast iron guttering & sometimes lead
Vast chimney stacks which all need Re pointing
Old wiring
Ceptic tanks
Chimney breasts which seep smoke into bedrooms so lining all of them.
Covings which are bespoke and cost a fortune to repair
Bespoke roses (lights) which get damaged cost a fortune to fix
Rotten weather boards
Rotting roof woodwork
Wetrot
Dry rot
Single glazing
Cold
Did I say cold

How old is your house?

[Ilovejapcrap]

I really don't get why they are a nightmare to maintain ?

I'd buy one over a new build any day of the week. Proper walls nice size rooms.

[hidetheelephants]

Welshbeef said:

hyphen said:

I would say that there is no mystery to it.

It is just solid brick walls, floor joist. ceilings and a roof. If you buy it without any structural issues, strip back to brick any areas that need doing, replumb/wire if needed and insulate each floor then no reason for it to always be a work in progress or ongoing maintenance money pit.

The problems are roofs can be easily over £100k on slates alone/it's cheaper to demolish and build a new house in its place if work is stacking up.

Unless it's the size of Cliveden or in London that's a rather inflated figure. My olds have lived in one for 30+ years, they are expensive to heat as in order to avoid damp they have drafts built in but provided work is done properly with the right materials they are far from ruinous to maintain relative to purchase price. In that time no major roof work has been done, just regular maintenance of the roof(rainwater goods, woodwork and metalwork etc). Since they had double glazing fitted the cost heating has come down considerably, although the payback is possibly not going to be achieved in their lifetime.

[Ilovejapcrap]

Welshbeef said:

Lead pipework
Cast iron guttering & sometimes lead
Vast chimney stacks which all need Re pointing
Old wiring
Ceptic tanks
Chimney breasts which seep smoke into bedrooms so lining all of them.
Covings which are bespoke and cost a fortune to repair
Bespoke roses (lights) which get damaged cost a fortune to fix
Rotten weather boards
Rotting roof woodwork
Wetrot
Dry rot
Single glazing
Cold
Did I say cold

When typing this was your drink half empty

[jason61c]

Ilovejapcrap said:

I really don't get why they are a nightmare to maintain ?

I'd buy one over a new build any day of the week. Proper walls nice size rooms.

I don't think they are. Far from it.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Greg66 said:

Is this stuff you've
(a) imagined
(b) read about
(c) been told about by a mate
(d) been told about by someone who's experienced it
(e) have personal experience of?

Having only ever lived in a London Georgian terraced house and a London very early Edwardian semi for the last 30 years, and having just replaced the roof on the latter for £25k, I recognise very little of what you've written as reality.

It is yes.

Yes it is what? (a)?

[sealtt]

The most important difference is the ceiling height.

[Fittster]

The key difference is the location. Generally the best building slots were used up years ago. If you buy a new build it's on a site that Georgian, Victorian, etc, developers didn't want.

A new build might have an A efficiency rating but if it's located miles out of town, opposite a large logistics warehouse, I'd rather have a large gas bill for a house located in a nice conservation area.

Edited by Fittster on Sunday 11th December 22:56

[Fittster]

Welshbeef said:

Old wiring

I really don't see why bring up wiring when having a pop at Victorian houses. Surveys seem to start flagging up wiring when it's 25 years. A lot of post war houses will arguably need re-wiring.

[Ilovejapcrap]

Plenty of houses with old wiring still going