Better bath seal - chaos from this one!
Discussion
Gunk said:
To fit a bath or shower cubicle properly it needs to be chopped in to the wall, plastered in, then sealed before tiling. You then tile and seal again. If done like this it will never leak. Also the bath should be filled full of water whilst sealing it.
That bath in the photo needs to be completely taken out and refitted properly, it will always leak fitted like that.
Lol, it certainly helps to support all of the bath to wall edge, but there's no need to chase out the wall. That bath in the photo needs to be completely taken out and refitted properly, it will always leak fitted like that.
Neil - YVM said:
Gunk said:
To fit a bath or shower cubicle properly it needs to be chopped in to the wall, plastered in, then sealed before tiling. You then tile and seal again. If done like this it will never leak. Also the bath should be filled full of water whilst sealing it.
That bath in the photo needs to be completely taken out and refitted properly, it will always leak fitted like that.
Lol, it certainly helps to support all of the bath to wall edge, but there's no need to chase out the wall. That bath in the photo needs to be completely taken out and refitted properly, it will always leak fitted like that.
I don't understand how the tile has come off cleanly without taking the plaster - unless it wasn't fixed properly to start with.
It does also look like the "grout" is silicon.
Whilst I agree a bath should be mechanically fixed to the wall, many don't come with fixings these days.
If you can jack the bath up - I would - if you can't and want to bodge it then I would dry it, silicone the bath to the wall, silicone the strip to the wall (you can still buy the crappy L pieces if you want to look like a Council house) and then silicone both sides of the strip.
Done well that will last at least a few years.
It does also look like the "grout" is silicon.
Whilst I agree a bath should be mechanically fixed to the wall, many don't come with fixings these days.
If you can jack the bath up - I would - if you can't and want to bodge it then I would dry it, silicone the bath to the wall, silicone the strip to the wall (you can still buy the crappy L pieces if you want to look like a Council house) and then silicone both sides of the strip.
Done well that will last at least a few years.
5 years is nearing the lifetime of an average fitted bath/shower IMO, especially one that is well used! If not replacement, then at least a tidy up & re-sealing.
If you can, I'd definitely stump up for a new bath/tiled wall. The problem with insurance jobs is that the workmen are drilled down hard on the price they are allowed, and so cut corners & rush the job to ensure they don't loose out.
Had my bathroom done by a guy who used to do Homebase bathrooms, namely he was called out when they went wrong & he had to rectify them. The allowance the fitters were given & work expected of them meant they were always cash short & time poor, so could only do ''the best'' they could in the given time, before they were expected on another job.
This could also be why he left the sealing/last few bits to you, to save himself having to come back once the grout etc had dried!
If you can, I'd definitely stump up for a new bath/tiled wall. The problem with insurance jobs is that the workmen are drilled down hard on the price they are allowed, and so cut corners & rush the job to ensure they don't loose out.
Had my bathroom done by a guy who used to do Homebase bathrooms, namely he was called out when they went wrong & he had to rectify them. The allowance the fitters were given & work expected of them meant they were always cash short & time poor, so could only do ''the best'' they could in the given time, before they were expected on another job.
This could also be why he left the sealing/last few bits to you, to save himself having to come back once the grout etc had dried!
garyhun said:
You've got two nice BMWs and an Aston Rapide and you can't afford to get a decent plumber/tiler in to do the job properly?
Confused!
He's spent all his money on the cars! He's got his priorities right! Confused!
OP, Cant offer anything constructive, only moral support, had nothing but disasters with bathroom sealing done by VERY expensive "professionals" too. best part of 10k worth of work at my rental 3 years ago (leak rotted away walls and floors, but wasn't apparent downstairs until it got really bad), and the f
ker started leaking again last year. Another couple of grand in removing, retiling, re-fitting, re-sealing shower cubicle. Seems OK now, I expect it'll go to st again come the summer.I've reached the point where I think upstairs showers are a silly idea, at home now just have a bath upstairs and fully tanked wet room downstairs. I bet it'll still find some way to bloody leak.
I know that's crazy, but no amount of slinging money at various pro's seems to do any good.
Funnily enough, the one bathroom I had that NEVER leaked, was the one I fitted 5 or 6 years ago, it was a complete bodge, ended up with an 3/4inch of silicone along the edge. Still fine to this day. (looks a mess though).
You bunch of rotters judging a man by the quality of his bath sealing strip
!! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodger
I'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done 
!! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodgerI'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it
I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done Ken Figenus said:
You bunch of rotters judging a man by the quality of his bath sealing strip!! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodger
I'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done
The plumber was being lazy - most of them are!!! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodgerI'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it
I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done If the bath was lower than the original the plumber could have raised it using a timber frame (rather than just cranking the legs right up. Extending the waste / water feeds would have been a straight forward job so no real issue there.
The side panel being too short is an issue and nobody seems to stock taller ones which can be trimmed down. It is very easy to modify one to get the extra height you need by adding a timber batten to the floor below the side panel and dressing with skirting / edging and some paint to get it looking like a finished product. Obviously requires more effort than most plumbers can be bothered with - if the job cant be done with grips or excessive use of sealant then they aren't interested.
Ken Figenus said:
You bunch of rotters judging a man by the quality of his bath sealing strip!! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodger
I'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done
The fit height is usually determined by the panel height. !! Judge me by the colour of my silicone intake pipes by all means but not by some dull bath sealing strip I have inherited by the actions of a bodgerI'll take the kind (and the unkind!) advice and so the bath just has to go up to meet the tiles; I suspect that the supply pipes will then have to be extended (which is maybe the corner the 'pro' cut - I think he told me that fitted height was due to the height of the bath panels - any higher and there would be a gap at the bottom, which was plausible...).
Time for a plumber as I'm too busy to bodge it
I'll post a pic with a the nice new AM Morning Frost pearescent leather sealing strip in place (£10 per mm) and hence try to claw back some skinflint bathroom seal street cred once its done But the bath is usually fitted then the tiles done, so not sure how a gap has been left?
Once you have a raised / sealed the bath etc, adjustable panels are available, which will get over the issue of needing a taller panel. an example
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/vasari-mdf-gloss-white...
Ken Figenus said:
Ohh God! Big job! Please tell me there is some magic NASA 'L' shaped super sealer strip available in Wilko?
Wouldnt mind so much but the replacement 5 years ago was an insurance job so should have been done properly. I'll get the panel off and have a look what went on - even if it was at the full extent of its adjustment then a few blocks of wood would have bought it up to meet the tiles...
Thanks for the input chaps - appreciated.
You could try this stuff : http://www.teleseal.co.uk/installation.htmlWouldnt mind so much but the replacement 5 years ago was an insurance job so should have been done properly. I'll get the panel off and have a look what went on - even if it was at the full extent of its adjustment then a few blocks of wood would have bought it up to meet the tiles...
Thanks for the input chaps - appreciated.
My mum used to have a very "flexible" bath that was a nightmare to seal, this stopped the leaks for a bit and gives some height "adjustment"
nikaiyo2 said:
Ken Figenus said:
Ohh God! Big job! Please tell me there is some magic NASA 'L' shaped super sealer strip available in Wilko?
Wouldnt mind so much but the replacement 5 years ago was an insurance job so should have been done properly. I'll get the panel off and have a look what went on - even if it was at the full extent of its adjustment then a few blocks of wood would have bought it up to meet the tiles...
Thanks for the input chaps - appreciated.
You could try this stuff : http://www.teleseal.co.uk/installation.htmlWouldnt mind so much but the replacement 5 years ago was an insurance job so should have been done properly. I'll get the panel off and have a look what went on - even if it was at the full extent of its adjustment then a few blocks of wood would have bought it up to meet the tiles...
Thanks for the input chaps - appreciated.
My mum used to have a very "flexible" bath that was a nightmare to seal, this stopped the leaks for a bit and gives some height "adjustment"
OP - do it properly!
put down some of these to check for future leaks
http://www.screwfix.com/p/honeywell-wd4sesf-water-...
http://www.screwfix.com/p/honeywell-wd4sesf-water-...
Plumber has been 'round - father of my son's school mate - suggests re-tiling it all tight to the bath rather than moving bath up as bath is fixed in very solidly. Hadn't thought of re-tiling it all but it isn't a massive area and it would update it a bit and kill my chavvy sealing strip issue He said if the plaster comes off with the old tiles we could maybe aqua-board it too - sounds good as its actually mostly used as a shower.
Trouble is this is all potential; 'car money' O well...
Thanks for the input guys - appreciated.
He said if the plaster comes off with the old tiles we could maybe aqua-board it too - sounds good as its actually mostly used as a shower.Trouble is this is all potential; 'car money'
O well...Thanks for the input guys - appreciated.
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