Uplight coving

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PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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B17NNS said:
Heres one I did...



Which L.E.D's did you use ? Can you change the colour ?

I'm torn between cool white and warm white,it would be nice to have the flexibility of changing the colour from time to time too.

If you could post a link for me that would be grate.

Decided I'm going to run a 9"x3" boxing around rather than crown coving ,and fit some spot downlighters in that

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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PapaJohns said:
Which L.E.D's did you use ? Can you change the colour ?
Just the generic stuff off Amazon. This is the colour changing stuff but to be honest it all looks a bit curry house/nightclub when you use the colours. I think it looks best in warm white.














037

1,315 posts

146 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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Good job

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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B17NNS said:
Just the generic stuff off Amazon. This is the colour changing stuff but to be honest it all looks a bit curry house/nightclub when you use the colours. I think it looks best in warm white.
What about at night when watching movies?

As I am planning to fit RGB in a picture rail all around, and use a shade of blue when the projector is on, was expecting it to resemble a Cinema rather than curry house!! smile

037 said:
Good job
yes All the work B17NNS posts up is excellent.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 3rd March 22:09

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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Just the generic stuff off Amazon. This is the colour changing stuff but to be honest it all looks a bit curry house/nightclub when you use the colours. I think it looks best in warm white.


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Is it the RGB 240v kit you used ? Do they come with everything you need to 'plug n play' no extras required etc ?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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PapaJohns]17NNS said:
Is it the RGB 240v kit you used ? Do they come with everything you need to 'plug n play' no extras required etc ?
Yes, kit comes complete. Just plugs into a 240v socket hidden in the trough which is switched at the wall. Controlled via the supplied remote. Am sure there are more elegant solutions but this is cheap and cheerful and works as intended. thumbup

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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[quote=B17NNS]

Just the generic stuff off Amazon. This is the colour changing stuff but to be honest it all looks a bit curry house/nightclub when you use the colours. I think it looks best in warm white.


[url]|http://thumbsnap.com/vy1IADG5[/url


Is it the RGB 240v kit you used ? Do they come with everything you need to 'plug n play' no extras required etc ?

dafydd2008

454 posts

183 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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Salesy said:
Ive done a few like this.

Here are a couple of pictures.



Assume this is Chesham, App6????

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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B17NNS said:
Just the generic stuff off Amazon. This is the colour changing stuff but to be honest it all looks a bit curry house/nightclub when you use the colours. I think it looks best in warm white
Yeah colours are a bit bling TBH, you'll use them to show off to every visitor and probably use white the rest of the time.

Of more interest they do a warm-to-cool white LED strips now where you get to select the shade of white as well as the brightness which seems ideal - as conventional incandescent bulbs go "warmer" as you dim them which is why 2.8-3k warm white LED strip can seem okay at full brightness but artificial to many people when dimmed.

LED strip is of a maturity I'm pondering marketing installation of coving and uplighting via picture rails as a thing, lot of sparks are scared of going outside their remit with a bit of woodwork or plaster coving which Im not so wondering if theres a market and a wee bit of profit for a one stop shop.

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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B17NNS said:
Yes, kit comes complete. Just plugs into a 240v socket hidden in the trough which is switched at the wall. Controlled via the supplied remote. Am sure there are more elegant solutions but this is cheap and cheerful and works as intended. thumbup
I was going to wire mine into the lighting circuit so it comes on with the down lighters. Could you spare me 5min of your time and post a link to the ones you bought please , all the one Iv looked at have zero feedback . And the majority are one colour only . I'm after 15m for now .


B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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hairyben said:
LED strip is of a maturity I'm pondering marketing installation of coving and uplighting via picture rails as a thing, lot of sparks are scared of going outside their remit with a bit of woodwork or plaster coving which Im not so wondering if theres a market and a wee bit of profit for a one stop shop.
Absolutely. Potential clients love the idea but will no doubt be thinking oh I'll need a plasterer, perhaps a joiner, then a spark.

Offering a one stop shop supply and fit might be a nice thing. Base price plus linear metre cost.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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PapaJohns said:
I was going to wire mine into the lighting circuit so it comes on with the down lighters. Could you spare me 5min of your time and post a link to the ones you bought please , all the one Iv looked at have zero feedback . And the majority are one colour only . I'm after 15m for now .
Don't remember but I think it's all much of a muchness. This looks like the stuff...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tingkam-Waterproof-Lighti...

You'll need 3 kits (which will come with 3 transformers). If you simply link the three strips together you'll get a voltage drop (the light will be dimmer) after each section so each section (and transformer) will need it's own power source. You might be able to go for a bigger transformer but I'm not a spark so couldn't really advise. There is a lighting guy on here who no doubt knows in the ins and outs far better than me.

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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B17NNS said:
Don't remember but I think it's all much of a muchness. This looks like the stuff...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tingkam-Waterproof-Lighti...

You'll need 3 kits (which will come with 3 transformers). If you simply link the three strips together you'll get a voltage drop (the light will be dimmer) after each section so each section (and transformer) will need it's own power source. You might be able to go for a bigger transformer but I'm not a spark so couldn't really advise. There is a lighting guy on here who no doubt knows in the ins and outs far better than me.
Thanks man,

I need 14m and now of the kits supply or recommend more than 10m on one supply, so Iv sourced 3x 5m 3528smd 300led warm white reels along with the relevant joining parts and dimmer remote etc.

I'll post some pictures when I get around to installing

OldSkoolRS

6,718 posts

178 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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I still haven't got round to painting mine (I know I've done it all in the wrong order, but it got left in the rush to get to a reasonably straight condition in time for Christmas...).

I built a wooden frame with 34mm square batons, dropped some precut 12mm MDF down from the ceiling and then covered with plasterboard. I fixed 90mm plaster coving from Wickes to the front edge of the wood baton, using instant grab adhesive and a few plasterboard screws to hold while it set. I put standard 'warm' white Screwfix LED strip (controlled by MI|Home RF sockets/Alexa/ various other apps) behind the coving on top of the wood baton.

I've also still got to make up the 'door' to hide the projector and some fabric covered panels to hide the Atmos speakers and various cabling, but things have been a little busy since Christmas:
(The DIY projector screen needs some more stretching on the left side too).



To the back of the room:



Some of the lights are Philips Hue (downlighters and the one below the TV cabinet), but I mostly have them on warm white as I'm not keen on colours for similar reasons to earlier posters.



Edited by OldSkoolRS on Monday 6th March 23:18

E36GUY

5,906 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PapaJohns said:
Thanks man,

I need 14m and now of the kits supply or recommend more than 10m on one supply, so Iv sourced 3x 5m 3528smd 300led warm white reels along with the relevant joining parts and dimmer remote etc.
Mostly that will be down to what the power supply can offer in terms of Wattage power and probably the maximum Amps that the controller can handle.

You can source bigger PSUs. RGB strip uses around 15W per metre so you need to allow for 14 x 15 which is 210Watts so you need a power supply with an output value greater than that. But, 210W at 12V DC is 17.5 Amps so around 5.83 amps per R/G/B channel so your controller may not be able to handle that. What we use is one controller for half the run (see below) and a signal repeater for the second. This means you can still control the whole lot from one controller. If you're using 12V DC RGB strip, I suggest you treat your 14 metres as two sets of 7m then power each set from the centre point.

This is because if you run 7M immediately followed by another 7M with the power to each set of 7 coming in from the beginning, you wont see this on single colour red, green or blue but when you mix colours say, yellow, for example, that the 7M is nice and yellow where the power comes in but it can tail off to orange the further away you get. Then, at the beginning of the second run it's nice and yellow again. This is all to do with voltage/current drop over distance so as above, if you can power each set from the middle, then you are more evenly spreading the current and the drop off should be eliminated. If using 24V DC then double the distances as it's half the amps but either way, you have to ensure you either have a single PSU (and controller) that can handle the load or use two transformers, one controller and one signal repeater.

Frankly, taking out the controllers aspect, the same applies to using single colour strip as well but the colour shift is less pronounced but the fade can be there. You have chosen 60 LEDS per metre which is 5W per metre thus 14 x 5 which is 70W so your PSU will need an output greater than 70W


Edited by E36GUY on Tuesday 7th March 10:25

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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E36GUY said:
Mostly that will be down to what the power supply can offer in terms of Wattage power and probably the maximum Amps that the controller can handle.

You can source bigger PSUs. RGB strip uses around 15W per metre so you need to allow for 14 x 15 which is 210Watts so you need a power supply with an output value greater than that. But, 210W at 12V DC is 17.5 Amps so around 5.83 amps per R/G/B channel so your controller may not be able to handle that. What we use is one controller for half the run (see below) and a signal repeater for the second. This means you can still control the whole lot from one controller. If you're using 12V DC RGB strip, I suggest you treat your 14 metres as two sets of 7m then power each set from the centre point.

This is because if you run 7M immediately followed by another 7M with the power to each set of 7 coming in from the beginning, you wont see this on single colour red, green or blue but when you mix colours say, yellow, for example, that the 7M is nice and yellow where the power comes in but it can tail off to orange the further away you get. Then, at the beginning of the second run it's nice and yellow again. This is all to do with voltage/current drop over distance so as above, if you can power each set from the middle, then you are more evenly spreading the current and the drop off should be eliminated. If using 24V DC then double the distances as it's half the amps but either way, you have to ensure you either have a single PSU (and controller) that can handle the load or use two transformers, one controller and one signal repeater.

Frankly, taking out the controllers aspect, the same applies to using single colour strip as well but the colour shift is less pronounced but the fade can be there.
Ha ha easy for you to say! It's all a little over my head to be honest.

The PSU I went for was the largest capacity they sold @ 96w which came with a 4way jack spitter for connecting the L.E.D strips. I wanted 300leds per 5m so opted for the smaller 3528 led.the whole kit came to £40 so if it's doesn't look right I'll add a second psu

E36GUY

5,906 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PapaJohns said:
Ha ha easy for you to say! It's all a little over my head to be honest.

The PSU I went for was the largest capacity they sold @ 96w which came with a 4way jack spitter for connecting the L.E.D strips. I wanted 300leds per 5m so opted for the smaller 3528 led.the whole kit came to £40 so if it's doesn't look right I'll add a second psu
Edited my original post.

If your PSU is 96W then that will cover your 14M as 300leds per 5M is 60 LEDS per metre and at 3528 is 5W per metre (actually 4.6 but multiples of 5 easier to calculate) so you have 70W load. I would still be powering your 14M from the centre.

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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E36GUY said:
Edited my original post.

If your PSU is 96W then that will cover your 14M as 300leds per 5M is 60 LEDS per metre and at 3528 is 5W per metre (actually 4.6 but multiples of 5 easier to calculate) so you have 70W load. I would still be powering your 14M from the centre.
Cool, I do plan to power from the middle aswell . Fingers crossed all goes as expected with the whole install

PapaJohns

1,064 posts

152 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Coving all fitted and lights installed. Iv still the ceiling to patch up where the original light was fitted, and I'd like to find a modern looking smoke detector
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timetex

643 posts

147 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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If anyone is still looking for any, we picked up a big box full of the stuff a few years ago to do our lounge with a rope light rather than LED strip.

Still boxed and in the garage and we're moving home soon, so we will never put it up.

If anyone is interested I can open the box (its still sealed!) and take a few photos and work out how much of it we have.

From the looks of the box it is from Orca.