Generator problem
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guindilias said:
I meant a new hoover under 1000 watts... unless you really need the extra suction.
Considering the drywall sander is 700w a 200-300w hoover isn't going to suck much dust 
Used the sander/hoover Wednesday via transformer plugged to the 240v socket and it worked perfectly, If I don't hear anything back by Monday I will be giving the company another call.
Have now had a response from the seller, they have said they have found out a little more about the generator (didn't say what) but will accept the return of the generator for a full refund! just waiting for them to confirm they will be paying return postage costs.
Just going to get a Wolf generator for £210 to use until everything is settled, I will however triple check the output is from EITHER socket
Just going to get a Wolf generator for £210 to use until everything is settled, I will however triple check the output is from EITHER socket
It's an interesting problem... I guess the reason behind this is that the current is the same in either case but the voltage is half therefore the power is half.
Maybe a coil tapped half way along to halve the voltage or some current-limited component somewhere.
Ways around it but not without cost, so I would imagine most generators with 110/220V outputs will have the same 'feature'.
Just talking from theory here, I've never looked inside one.
Maybe a coil tapped half way along to halve the voltage or some current-limited component somewhere.
Ways around it but not without cost, so I would imagine most generators with 110/220V outputs will have the same 'feature'.
Just talking from theory here, I've never looked inside one.
Wolf are horrendous - cheap trash rebadged as any number of manufacturers. Apart from being an absolute bugger to start after the first few runs, they DRINK oil, and after about 25 hours tend to throw a rod.
I've had 4 of them in for "fixing", straight to the skip. None salvageable at all.
I've had 4 of them in for "fixing", straight to the skip. None salvageable at all.
eliot said:
Saleen836 said:
Just going to get a Wolf generator for £210 to use until everything is settled, I will however triple check the output is from EITHER socket
Wolf is just a cheap Chinese generator, significantly poorer quality than the Honda. A few years ago B&Q were selling the "Wolf" gennys painted grey, under a different name. That soon stopped, I presume because they had so many returns.
I had a "Wolf" genny (bought as the only genny for sale within reasonable driving distance from my hunting shack), around 1200w if I remember correctly.
It was so hard to pull over the recoil starter that my cousin had to have a friend sit on the genny while she tried starting it, otherwise it would just lift off the ground when she pulled the starter.
I could put a boot on it and pull it, and sometimes eventually it would start. She was too short to do that.
I checked the oil during the first "run-in" period - half a tank of petrol gone, the oil was already at the bottom of the dipstick. Understandable on any engine running in, they are going to burn oil.
15 hours or so of running in later and constantly topping up, it still wouldn't do more that half a tank of petrol without needing stopped, topped up with oil (bloody awkward due to the angle of the filler) and started again.
Fixed my old "Yanmar" suitcase genny which had sat for a few years due to lack of available parts, and used it in future before I bought a BIG Onan genny. 3kW, 250kg!
But you can actually short it out completely, live to neutral, and it'll bog down, grunt for a while, then stop - they used to demonstrate this back when they were making them in the 40s (no breakers, mechanical governor).
Then fire them up again, and they were fine. Mine, rated at 13 amps or so, will start my wood splitter motor with a starting current of 72A. It doesn't like it, but it does it every time.
The "Wolf" eventually died due to a broken con-rod, like the rest of them.
Don't waste your money on cheap generators!
I had a "Wolf" genny (bought as the only genny for sale within reasonable driving distance from my hunting shack), around 1200w if I remember correctly.
It was so hard to pull over the recoil starter that my cousin had to have a friend sit on the genny while she tried starting it, otherwise it would just lift off the ground when she pulled the starter.
I could put a boot on it and pull it, and sometimes eventually it would start. She was too short to do that.
I checked the oil during the first "run-in" period - half a tank of petrol gone, the oil was already at the bottom of the dipstick. Understandable on any engine running in, they are going to burn oil.
15 hours or so of running in later and constantly topping up, it still wouldn't do more that half a tank of petrol without needing stopped, topped up with oil (bloody awkward due to the angle of the filler) and started again.
Fixed my old "Yanmar" suitcase genny which had sat for a few years due to lack of available parts, and used it in future before I bought a BIG Onan genny. 3kW, 250kg!
But you can actually short it out completely, live to neutral, and it'll bog down, grunt for a while, then stop - they used to demonstrate this back when they were making them in the 40s (no breakers, mechanical governor).
Then fire them up again, and they were fine. Mine, rated at 13 amps or so, will start my wood splitter motor with a starting current of 72A. It doesn't like it, but it does it every time.
The "Wolf" eventually died due to a broken con-rod, like the rest of them.
Don't waste your money on cheap generators!
The seller has informed me they will arrange for the generator to be collected from the delivery address, I now need to arrange a day off and tie up collection with delivery of a new one, decided to avoid the Wolf models and going for this instead... http://www.sgs-engineering.com/se2700-super-econom...
Saleen836 said:
The seller has informed me they will arrange for the generator to be collected from the delivery address, I now need to arrange a day off and tie up collection with delivery of a new one, decided to avoid the Wolf models and going for this instead... http://www.sgs-engineering.com/se2700-super-econom...
Stephill are a recognised manufacturer.Dare I ask,as it's not specifically listed - whats the output on the 110v output?
(dont say 16A - that's just the rating of the socket)
eliot said:
Saleen836 said:
The seller has informed me they will arrange for the generator to be collected from the delivery address, I now need to arrange a day off and tie up collection with delivery of a new one, decided to avoid the Wolf models and going for this instead... http://www.sgs-engineering.com/se2700-super-econom...
Stephill are a recognised manufacturer.Dare I ask,as it's not specifically listed - whats the output on the 110v output?
(dont say 16A - that's just the rating of the socket)
eliot said:
Saleen836 said:
The seller has informed me they will arrange for the generator to be collected from the delivery address, I now need to arrange a day off and tie up collection with delivery of a new one, decided to avoid the Wolf models and going for this instead... http://www.sgs-engineering.com/se2700-super-econom...
Stephill are a recognised manufacturer.Dare I ask,as it's not specifically listed - whats the output on the 110v output?
(dont say 16A - that's just the rating of the socket)
have just ordered the Stephill generator and after explaining the problem I had with the Honda generator with the sales guy he phoned Stephill to confirm both sockets provide 2.2kw output, he also said they had the same problem with another make which like Honda they never specified on their website.
You can pull 100A from a 16A commando socket if it isn't for long - 20A full time is no problem at all, in fact 30A would work all day long as well. I showed the electrical design engineer at work this thread, (he is a man of few words) and all he said was "Bunch'a sh
ite - if any a dem fuckers could design a generator they might know what they're on about. But they don't know fuck all, so they won't."
The man spoke....
ite - if any a dem fuckers could design a generator they might know what they're on about. But they don't know fuck all, so they won't."The man spoke....
Edited by guindilias on Wednesday 8th March 20:31
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