Generator problem

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eliot

11,434 posts

254 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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guindilias said:
You can pull 100A from a 16A commando socket if it isn't for long - 20A full time is no problem at all, in fact 30A would work all day long as well. I showed the electrical design engineer at work this thread, (he is a man of few words) and all he said was "Bunch'a shcensoredite - if any a dem fucensoredckers could design a generator they might know what they're on about. But they don't know fucensoredck all, so they won't.

The man spoke....
What on earth are you on about?

guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Taking 20A from a 16A commando socket...

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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guindilias said:
Taking 20A from a 16A commando socket...
That is all well and good, but of little relevance to the OP. If the genny can't delivery enough power, the capacity of the socket is meaningless.



guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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The guy has assured him that it can give the full 2200w from the 110v socket.

Edited by guindilias on Wednesday 8th March 20:47

guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Saleen836 said:
have just ordered the Stephill generator and after explaining the problem I had with the Honda generator with the sales guy he phoned Stephill to confirm both sockets provide 2.2kw output, he also said they had the same problem with another make which like Honda they never specified on their website.

Jambo85

3,319 posts

88 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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guindilias said:
You can pull 100A from a 16A commando socket if it isn't for long - 20A full time is no problem at all, in fact 30A would work all day long as well.
You could probably use one at 500V without any ill effects also - hardly the point though is it?

guindilias said:
I showed the electrical design engineer at work this thread, (he is a man of few words) and all he said was "Bunch'a shcensoredite - if any a dem fucensoredckers could design a generator they might know what they're on about. But they don't know fucensoredck all, so they won't."
Assuming that is true, I assume you owned up to being the poster guindilias who has spouted the most pish on the thread so far?

guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Of course I did, my posts are on a blue background for him to see. And what sott of pish do you think I was spouting? I spend half my hobby time rebuilding, restoring and selling generators, I know more about them than you ever will...

Jambo85

3,319 posts

88 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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I'm curious which specific posts your mate took issue with, particularly since you've admitted to being wrong on more than one of your comments. It's a bit of an oddly negative post to put up on a thread where people are trying to help the OP.

guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Jambo85 said:
Indeed, although it won't (shouldn't) be more than 16A so it isn't the full 2.2 kW.
That bit. He's not the most diplomatic person in the world...

Jambo85

3,319 posts

88 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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guindilias said:
Jambo85 said:
Indeed, although it won't (shouldn't) be more than 16A so it isn't the full 2.2 kW.
That bit. He's not the most diplomatic person in the world...
OK. Well - FWIW I am also an Electrical Engineer, and while I haven't done anything beyond hobby work on power stuff since leaving uni, I know enough to say it is not OK to design equipment so that a component rated for 16A takes a continuous 20A. 'Continuous' obviously being the key - maybe the genny isn't rated for 2.2 kW continuous, in which case I'm wrong.

There is also plenty of rubbish being built these days which is not designed properly (hence my use of 'shouldn't' in the quote above), but plenty of smallish generators have 2 x 16A or 1 x 32 A sockets on the 110V side, suggesting that they too acknowledge that you shouldn't pull more than 16A through a 16A socket.

I was trying to assist the OP by pointing out that his new purchase may have the same issue as his previous, but I hope it doesn't.

I don't think more needs said on this so I'm out.


guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Furry muff!

Saleen836

Original Poster:

11,116 posts

209 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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The easiest way to p*ss a person off is to arrange a courier to collect a generator and tell said person.."the courier works all day so we can't give a time slot" said person waits in all day for the damn courier to not even turn up! mad

Shi**y email sent at 7pm this evening (which seller will get Monday) asking for an explanation why the courier didn't turn up!


Gompo

4,413 posts

258 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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While we're a bit off topic, has anyone had dealings with Sutton Generators? We've a couple at my workplace, one is pretty faultless - however the newer one seems to like cutting out. Sutton have said it happens when it's not running much load, and we have to put up with it. Is that a legitimate response? Sometimes it will take 5 starts before it will stay on for more than a minute or so and even then it may cut out if it's not powering much.

Not sure if it's how Sutton set them up or because modern generators have more restrictions/guidelines on them that means they won't work without much load - either way it's not ideal!

guindilias

5,245 posts

120 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Gennys running without load tend to soot up the plugs very quickly, unless you have a fancy invertor one. If I am using my genny at the shack, it is normally either running an immersion heater for hot water, or charging up power tools.
Power tools take a fraction of the gennys output, so I have a 1kW heater that I run at the same time so it doesn't get oiled up.
If it gets hard to start from too little use, I use a home-made load bank (plastic barrel, salty water, 2 electrodes) to REALLY load it down for a while, which cleans out the muck and burns the plugs clean.

Saleen836

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11,116 posts

209 months

Tuesday 14th March 2017
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After my 'polite' email I sent last Friday evening I was expecting either a reply or phone call yesterday with an explanation, I had neither! Today however, I had an email sent this morning at 11.30 just saying "sorry, we did raise this, the courier has informed us it will be collected today!" (thanks for the heads up!) I have been out most of the day and didn't check my emails until I got home aound 3pm, no card or anthing left to say anyone had been so I thought ok, if they don't turn up by 4.30 I will have to ring and rearrange, luckily I had only been in around 30mins and the courier turned up.

On a happier note, the Stephill generator I purchased works perfectly well with both sander/hoover plugged in to the 110v socket biggrin

eliot

11,434 posts

254 months

Wednesday 15th March 2017
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yeh got there in the end.