Buying part of a field to build a conservatory

[rustyuk]

Morrisons got planning permission for a supermarket near me. The plot was between the Hospital and Ambulance Station. Don't have an accident on Saturday afternoon!

[Escort3500]

WB - "There seems to literally no thought process on demand planning no real clamp down on pushing it beyond the limit."

What are you talking about here, I really have no idea?

[Welshbeef]

Escort3500 said:

WB - "There seems to literally no thought process on demand planning no real clamp down on pushing it beyond the limit."

What are you talking about here, I really have no idea?

In our location there are 4 primary schools all over subscribed and full every single year. None of the 4 can expand further. However hundreds of new houses are being built and in the prospectus the developer listed the local schools all within walking distance forgetting the key aspect there is no child places.

Same for GPs there is x population per GP in an area beyond which you have two or more weeks wait for an appointment.
Then road network is full to beyond capacity twenty years ago yet they keep allowing more and more demands without giving the supply those dwellings so badly need else it pisses off those who already live there and makes life hell.

[Welshbeef]

blueg33 said:

As Equus says, a good planning consultant can make all the difference, hencve different solutions, but I bet there are site differences that are also a factor.

In 30 odd years I have never seen two identical plots, there can be all sorts of issues that make the solution for one different from the solution for another. Non exhaustive list:

massing
building line
shadowing
angle to highway
proximity of other houses
distance and angles to windows
elevation treatment
fenestration
level changes
drive position
boundary treatments
landscaping
tree influence
service locations

I stand by the assertion that no two plots are identical

Why not give us the planning references and a few of us as well as Equus will give you the reason, but it wont be Masonic influence, mates or brown envelopes

appreciate that but I'm not prepared to share my home address

[blueg33]

pm is fine

I have looked at loads of stuff for ph'ers, from planning through to development appraisals that are commercially sensitive.

I find it bloody annoying and frustrating that so many people think planning is achieved through some illegal favouritism, bribery etc, when the fact is that such things are incredibly rare.

We get our consents because we are good at what we do, we have spent years learning the law, the regulations, the do's and don'ts. We research, we observe, we react and we refine, we do not just rock up with a brown envelope and a funny handshake.

Anyway, must go, I've a 20 person planning committee and 4 "officers" to bribe so I can get my consent in Birmingham tomorrow........

[Equus]

Welshbeef said:

There seems to literally no thought process on demand planning no real clamp down on pushing it beyond the limit.

So which is it? A lack of thought, or a grand Masonic conspiracy? Make your mind up...

There is as well-defined a process to determining Planning Applications as it's possible to apply to something that necessarily has some degree of subjectivity (which is a fact that is acknowledged by Planning Law). It's just that you lack any semblance of the the knowledge and understanding required to perceive it. It's a bit like putting a Spaniel in the back of your car and expecting it to grasp that you're following the Highway Code as you drive... all it will do is get excitable and yap mindlessly.

Welshbeef said:

Sure I'm not talking about huge countryside development as that would be plain corruption and frankly would need so many involved for it to be not viable.

Yes you are: you've just told us that all it takes to gain approval for backland development in open countryside is a funny handshake.

Sorry, but I get sick of moronic internet pundits who know fk all about Planning, yet still state with authority that the whole system is either completely random, or else it's corrupt and functions on brown envelopes/funny handshakes. You're talking bks.

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 1st March 08:10

[C Lee Farquar]

Should the Spaniel in question be unable to join his local Lodge he may find reading Martin Goodall's Planning blog informative.

There is in depth information on agricultural land, subsequent change of use and permitted development. Even some clarification on the definition of curtilage.

I'm assuming the Spaniel can read as well as yap.

Parred back this is an excellent thread with contributions from farmers, builders, a developer and planning consultant. It's difficult to imagine you could assemble such diversity outside PH, it's a shame any reader has to distil the advice.

[Equus]

Yes, Martin Goodall's blog is excellent - but I fear it needs a basic level of understanding of the Planning system that we're not faced with here, before it starts to make sense.

[blueg33]

Planning system and making sense in the same sentence!..........

I am confused