DB9GT Volante or Vanquish Volante

DB9GT Volante or Vanquish Volante

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Mac355

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155 posts

228 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Conundrum time...
Just mulling the potential of one of the above, and would appreciate the learned thoughts on here.
I realise that neither are investments, but which is likely to drop less, and is there much difference in running costs?
Broadly £30-40K price difference, so.......

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Welcome and kind of you to say 'learned' thoughts.
However, when it comes to values in the future, I am afraid we know little more than the lady in the tent on Blackpool beach.

Both of the cars that you mention, will be amongst the very last Aston Martins to have naturally aspirated V12 engines. That should create a demand in the years ahead, providing we are not all banned from public roads by then.

The Vanquish is of course the very top model (even above the DB11), so that might make it extra desireable. As you will already know, the Volantes usually end up being the most sought after.

I have not directly answered your question, but hopefully my thoughts might be helpful. Apart from the financial aspect, you might find that you enjoy driving one more than the other.



M5MarkM

1,534 posts

170 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Easy... Vanquish Volante! I've got an early DB9v and the Vanquish S and the having had a Vanquish (non S) I'd say the Vanquish is a much better car, more complete but still completely flawed being an Aston smile Character I believe it is called smile Appreciation is strange, nobody thought the DBS would increase as it is but I suspect the Vanquish will, its the last AM engine before everything switched over Mercedes. It's also the flagship model. Still could easily not be an investment! My thoughts are that it will be an investment but many years away.

VV is going to be a more complete and quicker car the 9V. Especially if the 8 speed against the 6 speed model. IMO it's also a prettier car and as above I;m not biased as have 9V and Vanquish.

Car mad enthusiast

571 posts

86 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Both stunning cars. If your on a budget go for the 9 but if money is no object then buy BOTH. LOL

Mac355

Original Poster:

155 posts

228 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Thanks for the thought provoking and prompt responses.
Keep em coming....
Havent yet driven either, currently enjoying my V8 Roadster (with added BR oomph), but the pricing on the above are starting to get ever closer to V12S Vantage prices, and seem a lot of car for the money.
I also really like the look of the DB9GT interiors.
Any more real life feedback would be great...

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Given that both have the n/a V12 engine and an auto box, It's difficult to imagine that medium - long term, in general terms, vanquish won't be the better investment

Regardless of subjective views on which is the more attractive, that's because history will view vanquish as the more expensive flagship model which is better in ever objective measurable way, including total production numbers

Having said that, GT is pretty much the ultimate incarnation of DB9 (depending upon your view of the Bond edition and to a lesser extent, the last of 9 DB9s) whilst with vanquish, I assume you are talking about the 6 speed as opposed to the 8 speed or the 'S'. If either car follows the pattern of Vanquish mk 1, then given enough time the premium attached to the very best/last version will become most significant

But I still think Vanquish will be the better bet (again assuming we are just talking autos). Also DB9 includes variants with significantly less power than the GT (IIRC 440 bhp for the gen 1 cars) whereas the lowest power vanquish has 565 hp - I think history will view vanquish in the general sense as a much faster more powerful car.

One caveat is total production numbers on GT - anyone have any ideas ? If it's low, that's of course in it's favour

Personally, I'd go for the one that tugs on your heartstrings more, regardless of the reasons on paper. They will probably both follow relatively similar trends and if you even agree with some of my ramblings, it's a hard one to judge with any certainty

Mac355

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155 posts

228 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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jonby said:
Given that both have the n/a V12 engine and an auto box, It's difficult to imagine that medium - long term, in general terms, vanquish won't be the better investment

Regardless of subjective views on which is the more attractive, that's because history will view vanquish as the more expensive flagship model which is better in ever objective measurable way, including total production numbers

Having said that, GT is pretty much the ultimate incarnation of DB9 (depending upon your view of the Bond edition and to a lesser extent, the last of 9 DB9s) whilst with vanquish, I assume you are talking about the 6 speed as opposed to the 8 speed or the 'S'. If either car follows the pattern of Vanquish mk 1, then given enough time the premium attached to the very best/last version will become most significant

But I still think Vanquish will be the better bet (again assuming we are just talking autos). Also DB9 includes variants with significantly less power than the GT (IIRC 440 bhp for the gen 1 cars) whereas the lowest power vanquish has 565 hp - I think history will view vanquish in the general sense as a much faster more powerful car.

One caveat is total production numbers on GT - anyone have any ideas ? If it's low, that's of course in it's favour

Personally, I'd go for the one that tugs on your heartstrings more, regardless of the reasons on paper. They will probably both follow relatively similar trends and if you even agree with some of my ramblings, it's a hard one to judge with any certainty
As ever a very considered take on things Jonby.
I was actually looking at the 8 speed, and I was fairly surprised that there are cars coming in below £140K, are there too many Vanquishes in the market or is this a temporary Situation with Vanquish S and DB11 maybe attracting trade ins?
Questions, questions.....

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Mac355 said:
... are there too many Vanquishes in the market or is this a temporary situation with Vanquish S and DB11 maybe attracting trade ins?

Out of interest, following your question, I have found the following.

At 30 September 2016, there were 461 Vanquish licensed in UK and 17 SORN.

8% of that total are now for sale (AM dealers).

For the Vanquish Volante, it is 204 and 8.

7% are for sale.

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With the V8 Vantage, fewer than 2% are for sale (AM dealers).

What this tells us I do not know, but there does appear to be a huge difference.

Any thoughts?




Upperworks

1,242 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Because with current models you have either people that want the new thing and change or cheap finance which is a limiting time frame. Also, people that just want to say they owned one, but only having the short term ownership with less absolute depreciation.

Once they get a bit older and done with most depreciation they are more likely owned outright and long term keepers.

That would be my assumption.


Upperworks

1,242 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Also, surely a lot more Vantages are outside the dealer network due to mileage, condition, mods etc

M5MarkM

1,534 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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Jon39 said:

Out of interest, following your question, I have found the following.

At 30 September 2016, there were 461 Vanquish licensed in UK and 17 SORN.

8% of that total are now for sale (AM dealers).

For the Vanquish Volante, it is 204 and 8.

7% are for sale.

...........................................

With the V8 Vantage, fewer than 2% are for sale (AM dealers).

What this tells us I do not know, but there does appear to be a huge difference.

Any thoughts?
That's interesting jon! Where does this info come from? I'd love to know how many Vanquish S are out there?!

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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M5MarkM said:
That's interesting jon! Where does this info come from? I'd love to know how many Vanquish S are out there?!
There is a website called howmanyleft.
They get data from the DVLA and at present it is only up to the third quarter 2016.

The accuracy depends upon the model description shown on registration certificates. One of my own cars has had the wrong model shown from new, so possibly mistakes are widespread.

The only Vanquish S they are showing is the original model.
Is the 'S' shown on your registration certificate, or is it just VANQUISH V12 AUTO ?

There is also data available on the DVLA website, but I don't have a link with me for the page.


M5MarkM

1,534 posts

170 months

Saturday 4th March 2017
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Jon39 said:
There is a website called howmanyleft.
They get data from the DVLA and at present it is only up to the third quarter 2016.

The accuracy depends upon the model description shown on registration certificates. One of my own cars has had the wrong model shown from new, so possibly mistakes are widespread.

The only Vanquish S they are showing is the original model.
Is the 'S' shown on your registration certificate, or is it just VANQUISH V12 AUTO ?

There is also data available on the DVLA website, but I don't have a link with me for the page.
Had a look what a good site cheers! V5 shows VANQUISH S V12 AUTO but the site doesn't show any of them at all - interestingly my DD a BMW750m shows only 46, so rarer than the vanquish!


Edited by M5MarkM on Saturday 4th March 10:45

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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I have found the link to the DVLA data, Mark.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-set...

The spreadsheet tables appear to only be up to 2015, so that does not help much either. Presumably they will include 2016 in due course.