3.0si Z4C – fast appreciating classic?
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I'm not sure about "fast appreciating" just yet. That being said, mine was probably the "least depreciating" car I've owned.
Taking into account the most expensive route in and out of dealer purchase, dealer part ex, I paid £10k (in 2012 for a 57 plate), did 12k miles over 18 months and sold for £8750. The dealer I sold to re-advertised at 9750.
Taking into account the most expensive route in and out of dealer purchase, dealer part ex, I paid £10k (in 2012 for a 57 plate), did 12k miles over 18 months and sold for £8750. The dealer I sold to re-advertised at 9750.
I hope so - would have liked a Z4M but they are close to 40K euro in Belgium (not long ago could be picked up for 26K euro), whereas mine was 14K euro and about 80 % of the performance of the Z4M.
They are holding their price very well, and the production numbers bear this out, with about 5 % being coupes, so a very rare sight indeed, in M form or not.
All the classic BMW ingredients present too, with inline 6, manual gearbox and classic 2 seater RWD layout.
They are holding their price very well, and the production numbers bear this out, with about 5 % being coupes, so a very rare sight indeed, in M form or not.
All the classic BMW ingredients present too, with inline 6, manual gearbox and classic 2 seater RWD layout.
They have been holding their money very well for several years now.
Probably a bit too new to enter the “fast appreciating classic” bracket though. That and it is always going to be in the shadow on the M version somewhat, even if in reality, the M is not head and shoulders a better car (but let’s not open that can of worms).
Probably a bit too new to enter the “fast appreciating classic” bracket though. That and it is always going to be in the shadow on the M version somewhat, even if in reality, the M is not head and shoulders a better car (but let’s not open that can of worms).
I wonder why so few of them actually sold - 63 in 2012 was the highest number (they sold more Z4M models). Why so few? Overpriced? Too niche?
I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
Monty Python said:
I wonder why so few of them actually sold - 63 in 2012 was the highest number (they sold more Z4M models). Why so few? Overpriced? Too niche?
I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
They didn't make the e86 Z4 coupe after 2008.I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
You're confusing the e85 soft-top roadster and e86 fixed-roof coupe with the newer e89 folding hard-top model.
Even the e89 will eventually become a classic - just like every other run-of-the-mill car where 99.9% of them rust away and die. The few remaining will be classics. Might take a few decades though.
According to that deeply reliable source of knowledge Wikipedia, 12,819 Z4 E86 3.0 Coupe's were made worldwide.
Therefore it would probably be fair to assume there are a couple of thousand kicking round the UK (or at least were), compared to the ~466 Porsche 911 996 GT3's.
Not sure about the classic status of the newer E89. The new Z4 was cut from a very different cloth, more of a lover than a fighter. (Even the M division couldn't be bothered, and that is coming from a group of people who created the X6M!)
Just look at old merc coupes. They spend many years in the unloved old car camp before they make it to classic car status.
Therefore it would probably be fair to assume there are a couple of thousand kicking round the UK (or at least were), compared to the ~466 Porsche 911 996 GT3's.
Not sure about the classic status of the newer E89. The new Z4 was cut from a very different cloth, more of a lover than a fighter. (Even the M division couldn't be bothered, and that is coming from a group of people who created the X6M!)
Just look at old merc coupes. They spend many years in the unloved old car camp before they make it to classic car status.
Monty Python said:
I wonder why so few of them actually sold - 63 in 2012 was the highest number (they sold more Z4M models). Why so few? Overpriced? Too niche?
I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
Not sure about your numbers - was it 63 Z4 Coupes in 2012, or 63 Z4s?I guess cars like this will appeal to some people who have a very specific need but I can't see it appreciating that much given the number of alternative Z4 models around.
From figures someone provided in the Z4Forum they built less than 2,500 3 litre Coupes to UK specification, so they are fairly rare.
And personally a Coupe is the only Z4 I would buy (it's the nearest thing I will ever get to the E-Type Coupe I promised myself as a kid, but quicker)! Coupes only came with the 3 litre straight 6 engine (or the 3.2 litre M engine) whereas the E85 (Roadster, with soft-top) came with 2.0 litre 4s, 2.2, 2.5 and 3.0 six-cylinder engines, but all E85/86 engines were naturally aspirated.
The E89 (metal-roofed convertible) came along in late 2008 and had all sorts of 4 and 6 cylinder engines, most of them with a turbo, but they were also about 200kg heavier and by all accounts they are a bit more GT than sportscar.
But I don't think any are "fast appreciating classics" so not yet an investment, even if I did sell a Coupe in 2016 for slightly more than I bought it for in 2016!
After I took the deposit I realised what I had done, so I went and found another - only Coupe-less for 2 days!
But as a local trader said to me recently, they are a future classic! I asked him when that would happen - he said maybe 10 years time!
Hopefully I'll still have mine then, but I enjoy driving it so much I don't really care if it appreciates or not! Mind you values don't seem to be dropping.
I had three e85 roadsters and enjoyed them all .
I know have a e 89 which is a great compromise for me but I know find I'm admiring a good e86 coupe possibly because I think eventually they will be classics. Many events I go to or marshal at they are parked up as a part of the modern classics display.
I know have a e 89 which is a great compromise for me but I know find I'm admiring a good e86 coupe possibly because I think eventually they will be classics. Many events I go to or marshal at they are parked up as a part of the modern classics display.
They are such a good looking car in a market that is dominated by uninspiring blobs that all look the same.
I've owned mine two years and people are often surprised when I tell them it is 10 years old.
Any excuse for a gratuitous photo...
(I mean, just look at the thing. Still make me turn around and look at it when I've parked up)
I've owned mine two years and people are often surprised when I tell them it is 10 years old.
Any excuse for a gratuitous photo...
(I mean, just look at the thing. Still make me turn around and look at it when I've parked up)
Edited by TR4man on Friday 10th March 11:10
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