Plaster ceiling rose install
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I've got to install a few of these plaster roses. You will see there isn't a gap in the middle. The question is therefore what to do for the best with the existing plastic ceiling rose in the existing light fitting. Do I drill a hole in the rose to accommodate the plastic fitting that's there atm or just drill a hole for the flex and feed through the flex , and assuming there is enough clearance when offered up, just cover up the existing light fitting? Obvs that would be an issue with maintaining the light fitting if the need arises but I've seen ceiling roses where there is simply a hole for the flex and it looks class rather than having a modern round plastic fitting sitting flush in the plaster rose - but don't know what to do for the best here. Any thoughts ?
Alucidnation said:
Whenever a client presents anything like that to be fitted, i usually say we are too busy.
Absolute f
king ball ache and if they are cast from plaster, you will need to get a good mechanical fixing for the rose before any light fitting is installed.
Wow. Doesn’t cast you in the best of lights mate.Absolute f
king ball ache and if they are cast from plaster, you will need to get a good mechanical fixing for the rose before any light fitting is installed.I’ve recently had a few of these custom made and fitted them all myself. Really not tricky...
They're going in a very Victorian house.
I fitted a toddler of a ceiling rose into one of our small bedrooms using tile adhesive and a few screws into the ceiling behind and was easy enough, but these larger ones weigh a bit so I'll need some assistance.
They are very beautiful though. I guess they cost next to nothing to make once you've got the mould and have the skills. I got those big roses off eBay, 27 quid delivered from up north. The plastering specialist shop on Leytonstone high road round the corner from my house wanted considerably more...
I fitted a toddler of a ceiling rose into one of our small bedrooms using tile adhesive and a few screws into the ceiling behind and was easy enough, but these larger ones weigh a bit so I'll need some assistance.
They are very beautiful though. I guess they cost next to nothing to make once you've got the mould and have the skills. I got those big roses off eBay, 27 quid delivered from up north. The plastering specialist shop on Leytonstone high road round the corner from my house wanted considerably more...
Doublesix your pic illustrates my query. In the centre of your rose you have the plastic ceiling rose of the modern light fitting. I am not sure whether my ceiling rose requires me to cut out that section so I, like you, fit the modern plastic light fitting against the plaster rose, or whether the plastic fitting sits behind the plaster rose and I just drill a little hole for the flex to come through. I guess I'll have to play about with it but I'm doubtful there is enough clearance behind the plaster rose ...
It isn't complicated. I could go into detail about the fitting process for the rose to the plaster but I guess that isn't the issue here .
Before you put it up drill a hole in the middle with a borer bit adequate to fit the cable through; a flat borer bit usually makes a neat hole where you want it. In this case not sized for the full T&E, just the pendant drop. 8mm will be plenty, maybe even less.
For a 'classic' rose like those they aren't designed to have a surface/embedded electrical rose and you can't bury it. So to fit the lighting you work from above (through the floor above the ceiling), put the cable up though a noggin, add a cable restraint to stop it pulling (and maybe a redundant one a bit further along and then an adequate length service loop/spare length as slack behind this) then terminate the wiring to a rose/junction box mounted wherever is convenient in the ceiling void. Bit of a pain to lift the floor to work on it but it's the way these are done; I think everyone is used to modern pendant lights and roses and never sees the older stuff.
Before you put it up drill a hole in the middle with a borer bit adequate to fit the cable through; a flat borer bit usually makes a neat hole where you want it. In this case not sized for the full T&E, just the pendant drop. 8mm will be plenty, maybe even less.
For a 'classic' rose like those they aren't designed to have a surface/embedded electrical rose and you can't bury it. So to fit the lighting you work from above (through the floor above the ceiling), put the cable up though a noggin, add a cable restraint to stop it pulling (and maybe a redundant one a bit further along and then an adequate length service loop/spare length as slack behind this) then terminate the wiring to a rose/junction box mounted wherever is convenient in the ceiling void. Bit of a pain to lift the floor to work on it but it's the way these are done; I think everyone is used to modern pendant lights and roses and never sees the older stuff.
I remember when we bought our house which was built in 1937, the woman who owned it thought it was period and filled it full of these ceiling roses and other tat which was just pure tack.
What made it worse was the clown painted them bright Barbara Cartland pink. It took a multitude of coats of paint to get rid of the horrid colour.
What made it worse was the clown painted them bright Barbara Cartland pink. It took a multitude of coats of paint to get rid of the horrid colour.
It's good that my house was built in 1900 then. Phew.
The irony hasn't been lost on me that in the 60s and 70s all the period features were stripped from these houses, fireplaces ripped out and blocked up, cornicing removed, all the intricate details that now make Victorian and Edwardian houses so nice, and all the people buying them up now in their 30s are falling over themselves to put all these details back in.
I'm sure in 40 years someone else will be ripping all my work out and the cycle will start again.
The irony hasn't been lost on me that in the 60s and 70s all the period features were stripped from these houses, fireplaces ripped out and blocked up, cornicing removed, all the intricate details that now make Victorian and Edwardian houses so nice, and all the people buying them up now in their 30s are falling over themselves to put all these details back in.
I'm sure in 40 years someone else will be ripping all my work out and the cycle will start again.
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