Ask a plumber/heating ‘engineer’ anything

Ask a plumber/heating ‘engineer’ anything

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steve-V8s

2,902 posts

249 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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If installing a new pressurised heating system from a Combi would you use plastic with push fit, plastic with solvent weld, copper, or perhaps a combination of all three ?

As a supplementary question. 22mm flow and return from the boiler but how many rads can you reasonably feed with one 15mm branch off the 22 mm or does it perhaps depend on the size of the rads.

BoRED S2upid

19,720 posts

241 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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g7jtk said:
Why is it that people think Plumbers get payed a lot?
Because they do.

RicksAlfas

13,410 posts

245 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Ledaig said:
RicksAlfas said:
I believe the logic is you spend thousands replacing it with a snazzy new boiler, save 5% on your gas usage but then buy another one in ten years because they don't last as they are "built to close tolerances to make them very efficient".
Which is exactly why I don't want to replace the existing one, making the switch would not generate savings in efficiency to cover the cost.
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LookAtMyCat

464 posts

109 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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steve-V8s said:
If installing a new pressurised heating system from a Combi would you use plastic with push fit, plastic with solvent weld, copper, or perhaps a combination of all three ?

As a supplementary question. 22mm flow and return from the boiler but how many rads can you reasonably feed with one 15mm branch off the 22 mm or does it perhaps depend on the size of the rads.
Most people use a mix in retrofits. Almost all new builds are done entirely in pushfit outside of the boiler/airing cupboard, and have been for 20 years. I try and do as much as possible in copper but sometimes push fit just makes a run so much easier.

Fag packet no more than 3 rads off 15. I’ve seen entire houses piped in 15mm mains that work fine. There’s a whole estate near me where the systems are done in 8mm.

shambolic

2,146 posts

168 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Depends on Kw/h output of rads and total output. If above 18kw the main flow and return should be 28mm.
I wouldn’t really take 2 or more off the same 15mm, again depending on the output of rads.

bristolbaron

4,840 posts

213 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Monkeylegend said:
Evoluzione said:
Typical plumber then, answers one question and does a runner.....
Probably on a call out, although he didn't say he would answer any questions.
Probably passed out from the sharp inhale before answering so many questions..

silentbrown

8,863 posts

117 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Wagonwheel555 said:
We live in a 60's house and the hot water pressure seems very poor, at least compared to the new build we moved from.

Edit - Its open vented.
Switch to an unvented system, then? Much cheaper than adding additional storeys to your house...

LookAtMyCat

464 posts

109 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Ledaig said:
What's the rough percentage of open flue systems still in use?

Only asking as we had a plumber come round to service ours last week, who took one look, laughed and said "I don't service them" (closely followed by the 'buy a new boiler' sales pitch).

Yes it's old, but simple in operation and works so why bother replacing!
Used to service loads and loads. Probably do less than 10 a year now.
They are reliable, but as low as 50-60% efficient (aka, 50/40p in the £ wasted as opposed to a new boiler which wastes ~8p in the £). When combined with modern controls, the savings add up quickly. They’re also slow compared to a modern boiler, and you’re on borrowed time with the cast iron hex’s now.

I used to tell my customers to keep them but they’re either choosing to upgrade (the long guarantees on new boilers are helping), the cast iron hex’s are finally giving up or the customers are dying before the boiler does 😃

N111BJG

1,086 posts

64 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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How often should a domestic oil fired boiler be serviced ?

PCoulson

62 posts

87 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Why do plumbing tools seem to be crap?

LocoBlade

7,622 posts

257 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Why do certain plumbers start "Ask me anything" threads on forums then go AWOL and not answer a single question for 3 days? biggrin

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

244 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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LocoBlade said:
Why do certain plumbers start "Ask me anything" threads on forums then go AWOL and not answer a single question for 3 days? biggrin
It's typical of the breed in my experience.
It is quite amusing how forum life reflects real life here, next it'll be 'I was on a call out mate'.
wking myself off in the back of my van.

Ostaf

7 posts

20 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Hi, hope you'll be able to advise. My towel rail won't work when central heating is on. All other radiators are working in the house, I bled the rail as well and turned the control either way. Still not heating.

The attached picture is of the valve. Does anyone know how to open this TRV? I'm think the pin might be stuck.

Thanks on advance for help

silentbrown

8,863 posts

117 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Ostaf said:


Hi, hope you'll be able to advise. My towel rail won't work when central heating is on. All other radiators are working in the house, I bled the rail as well and turned the control either way. Still not heating.

The attached picture is of the valve. Does anyone know how to open this TRV? I'm think the pin might be stuck.
Looks like an electric towel rail to me. Which would explain why it's not working with the CH...

davebem

746 posts

178 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Are single piped older ch systems compatible with modern condensing boilers? Will the condensing process be more efficient?

PositronicRay

27,060 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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I had a new w/b boiler fitted last year from heatable with a 10yr warranty.

Can i use a regular Gas Safe engineer to service it of does it have to be a WB affiliated guy?

MJNewton

1,736 posts

90 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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silentbrown said:
Looks like an electric towel rail to me. Which would explain why it's not working with the CH...
There's a pipe coming out of the wall too though so I think it should work with both.

To the owner, ensure the valve is opened up (it looks like a manual valve to me; too small to be a TRV).

Jambo85

3,319 posts

89 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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MJNewton said:
silentbrown said:
Looks like an electric towel rail to me. Which would explain why it's not working with the CH...
There's a pipe coming out of the wall too though so I think it should work with both.

To the owner, ensure the valve is opened up (it looks like a manual valve to me; too small to be a TRV).
Agreed - also check the valve on the other end. Correct procedure with these combined electric/CH towel rails is to close both valves for summer (electric) use in order that air doesn't sneak in and cause the element to overheat, so if that's been done correctly then you'll need to open both ends.

Ostaf

7 posts

20 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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silentbrown said:
Looks like an electric towel rail to me. Which would explain why it's not working with the CH...
It is electric as well. It's dual fuel. Was working with central heating last winter. I think the pin inside the valve might be stuck (although the radiator is 1 year old), but I don't know how to get to it.

Any other ideas?

Ostaf

7 posts

20 months

Thursday 29th September 2022
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Jambo85 said:
Agreed - also check the valve on the other end. Correct procedure with these combined electric/CH towel rails is to close both valves for summer (electric) use in order that air doesn't sneak in and cause the element to overheat, so if that's been done correctly then you'll need to open both ends.
Thanks! Let me try that