'Please do not park here'

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RSTurboPaul

10,401 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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98elise said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Bobton125 said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.
whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.



Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41
It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.
How does that work?

I need to find out who owns the parking space next to a garage that I own. It's full of rubbish and garden waste which is up against my garage and causing a lot of damp.

I've tried looking at the LR records for a number of neighbouring properties and their garages and parking spaces seem randomly allocated (eg the neighbouring houses garage is in another block, not next to mine).

I contacted the council about the mess and they have ignored it.
Use the Search by Map function:

https://search-property-information.service.gov.uk...

You zoom in to the area of interest, drop a pin at the location, then it lets you draw a circle around the pin to capture the area of interest. It will then list the Titles within that circle - you can choose from the list, see what information is available, and request 'official copies' if/as required.

98elise

26,644 posts

162 months

Monday 22nd April
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RSTurboPaul said:
98elise said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Bobton125 said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.
whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.



Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41
It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.
How does that work?

I need to find out who owns the parking space next to a garage that I own. It's full of rubbish and garden waste which is up against my garage and causing a lot of damp.

I've tried looking at the LR records for a number of neighbouring properties and their garages and parking spaces seem randomly allocated (eg the neighbouring houses garage is in another block, not next to mine).

I contacted the council about the mess and they have ignored it.
Use the Search by Map function:

https://search-property-information.service.gov.uk...

You zoom in to the area of interest, drop a pin at the location, then it lets you draw a circle around the pin to capture the area of interest. It will then list the Titles within that circle - you can choose from the list, see what information is available, and request 'official copies' if/as required.
Many thanks!

Edited to add...

It brings up multiple properties (including mine), but that's to be expected when it's parking spaces and garages. At least its only going to cost me about 4 downloads to find the owner. The damp is making the garage unusable at the moment.

What interesting is the 2 spaces next to mine used to be garages, which have collapsed over time. The map actually reflects that by not showing them as garages. In another block it has "ruins" next to two gaps in a block. I suspect they are garages that have partially collapsed.

It's quite odd that in an otherwise nice area the garage blocks for these houses are in such a state of decay. Even if you don't use your garage why let it become a ruin. It has some value and could be sold if you didn't want it.


Edited by 98elise on Monday 22 April 12:39

Pit Pony

8,624 posts

122 months

Monday 22nd April
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98elise said:
RSTurboPaul said:
98elise said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Bobton125 said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Because it’s not a parking area, it’s not his land and he has been asked not to by someone that may be the owner of the land. Surely the self righteous people are those parking off road on land they don’t own?

Parking on scrubland is all very well but before you know it you have people parking on verges etc which may be what the neighbour who asked him not to park there is concerned about. However as the OP hasn’t spoken to the neighbour we don’t know why he doesn’t want the OP parking there.
whether the land is suitable or not to park on is out of the question to be honest as no one here has seen it so can’t really judge.

Neither is whether I own it relevant as we don’t all only park where we own.

The question here is how to find out if this man has any authority to tell me I can’t park there. If he does then I won’t park there.



Edited by Bobton125 on Friday 19th April 10:41
It's already been mentioned at least twice.

Land Registry enquiry using their map feature. £4 or something like that. Will either confirm the landowner or confirm LR does not have records.

If the former, you can work out if it is the neighbour / if he has 'authority'. If the latter, you can ask the neighbour to confirm his understanding.
How does that work?

I need to find out who owns the parking space next to a garage that I own. It's full of rubbish and garden waste which is up against my garage and causing a lot of damp.

I've tried looking at the LR records for a number of neighbouring properties and their garages and parking spaces seem randomly allocated (eg the neighbouring houses garage is in another block, not next to mine).

I contacted the council about the mess and they have ignored it.
Use the Search by Map function:

https://search-property-information.service.gov.uk...

You zoom in to the area of interest, drop a pin at the location, then it lets you draw a circle around the pin to capture the area of interest. It will then list the Titles within that circle - you can choose from the list, see what information is available, and request 'official copies' if/as required.
Many thanks!


I'd like to find out who owns the green land in this picture. A Relative owns one of the houses that has a boundary with what appears to be owned by nobody. I suggested they moved the fence, and see if anyone questions them .

anotherbigspender

96 posts

51 months

Monday 22nd April
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Pit Pony said:


I'd like to find out who owns the green land in this picture. A Relative owns one of the houses that has a boundary with what appears to be owned by nobody. I suggested they moved the fence, and see if anyone questions them .
LLANDDONA COMMUNITY COUNCIL (Local Authority), 4 Gorddinog Terrace, Llangoed, Beaumaris, Isle Of Anglesey LL58 8NG

Note that the strip between Woolbrooke House / Brookfield and the property which backs on to them is unregistered, but I'd be surprised if the Council didn't own that bit too.

981Boxess

11,293 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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Bobton125 said:
981Boxess said:
I doubt there is any piece of land that isn’t owned by someone and with some effort I dare you you could find out who owns it. You have been given plenty of good advice in this thread maybe you should try following some of it.

In the meantime if it isn’t owned by you and you have not got permission from the owner, who for all you know may be the ‘old man’, to park there, no matter how handy it might be you have no business parking there.
Please read my replies in the thread
All I read was your description of the ‘old man’ and your justification for using it without permission because it suits you.

Both of which come across as a tad arrogant.

Griffith4ever

4,286 posts

36 months

Monday 22nd April
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Doesn't seem "arrogant" to me at all. Stanger from some distance away says dont' park here, I'd want to know why. Plenty of threads on here where people have had to deal with neighbours that get their arse in their hands if someone dares to park outside their house. He might be one of those - might be none of his business.

I'd not just roll over and go "ok". I'd want to know why.

ecsrobin

17,133 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd April
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Griffith4ever said:
Doesn't seem "arrogant" to me at all. Stanger from some distance away says dont' park here, I'd want to know why. Plenty of threads on here where people have had to deal with neighbours that get their arse in their hands if someone dares to park outside their house. He might be one of those - might be none of his business.

I'd not just roll over and go "ok". I'd want to know why.
It’s been mentioned many times. If the OP goes and speaks to the gentleman he can probably find out why.

As someone else put, “sorry I parked there as I thought I had permission, is that not the case?”

981Boxess

11,293 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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Griffith4ever said:
I'd not just roll over and go "ok". I'd want to know why.
I may have missed that bit, where did the OP asked the ‘old man’ what gave him the right to put the note on the car?

If I did then my bad.

bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Monday 22nd April
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Slightly off topic but this thread reminds me of my ex over the road neighbour. He noticed some disused land in the town centre and set it up as a car park. He had no idea who owned the land, he just got a ticket book and charged people to park.

Got to admire his cheek.

Good luck op & please keep us updated.

The Gauge

1,923 posts

14 months

Monday 22nd April
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Griffith4ever said:
Doesn't seem "arrogant" to me at all. Stanger from some distance away says dont' park here, I'd want to know why. Plenty of threads on here where people have had to deal with neighbours that get their arse in their hands if someone dares to park outside their house. He might be one of those - might be none of his business.

I'd not just roll over and go "ok". I'd want to know why.
Agreed. If it were me I'd also want to know a bit more about the old man and whether he has any valid claim to the land, or if he's just a busy body curtain twitching neighbour.

If the former, I'd happily respect his desires and cease parking there, if the latter he can jog on and I'd carry on parking there unless the actual owner came forward and stated their displeasure.

Simply leaving a note saying it's private land wouldn't wash with me if he has no valid claim or interest.

ecsrobin

17,133 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd April
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The Gauge said:
Simply leaving a note saying it's private land wouldn't wash with me if he has no valid claim or interest.
And talking would probably bring up the answer.

The Gauge

1,923 posts

14 months

Monday 22nd April
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ecsrobin said:
And talking would probably bring up the answer.
Which is why I've already suggested that, but in the meantime I'd carry on parking there.

blueg33

35,974 posts

225 months

Monday 22nd April
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The Gauge said:
Griffith4ever said:
Doesn't seem "arrogant" to me at all. Stanger from some distance away says dont' park here, I'd want to know why. Plenty of threads on here where people have had to deal with neighbours that get their arse in their hands if someone dares to park outside their house. He might be one of those - might be none of his business.

I'd not just roll over and go "ok". I'd want to know why.
Agreed. If it were me I'd also want to know a bit more about the old man and whether he has any valid claim to the land, or if he's just a busy body curtain twitching neighbour.

If the former, I'd happily respect his desires and cease parking there, if the latter he can jog on and I'd carry on parking there unless the actual owner came forward and stated their displeasure.

Simply leaving a note saying it's private land wouldn't wash with me if he has no valid claim or interest.
What right do you think you have to ask someone to demonstrate they own the land?

The Gauge

1,923 posts

14 months

Monday 22nd April
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blueg33 said:
What right do you think you have to ask someone to demonstrate they own the land?
No right at all, but that doesn't mean I cant ask. But then i'm not suggesting the old man proves his ownership as he's not even claimed to be the owner has he. I'm just saying I'd want to know if he owned it, or if anyone does. Otherwise anyone could go about telling folk not to park as the land is private.

I certainly wouldn't stop parking there just because a random person claims its private land. Anyone can claim it's private land but I'd want to know for sure, which is what the OP is trying to find out.

The only reason I'd consider not parking there would be due to any risk of damage to my car.

Edited by The Gauge on Monday 22 April 14:21

981Boxess

11,293 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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The Gauge said:
blueg33 said:
What right do you think you have to ask someone to demonstrate they own the land?
No right at all, but that doesn't mean I cant ask. But then i'm not suggesting the old man proves his ownership as he's not even claimed to be the owner has he.
So the ‘old man’ tells you he owns it and he doesn’t want you parking there.

Then what?

bad company

18,642 posts

267 months

Monday 22nd April
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981Boxess said:
The Gauge said:
blueg33 said:
What right do you think you have to ask someone to demonstrate they own the land?
No right at all, but that doesn't mean I cant ask. But then i'm not suggesting the old man proves his ownership as he's not even claimed to be the owner has he.
So the ‘old man’ tells you he owns it and he doesn’t want you parking there.

Then what?
Then the op would have to stop parking there. Simples.

The Gauge

1,923 posts

14 months

Monday 22nd April
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981Boxess said:
So the ‘old man’ tells you he owns it and he doesn’t want you parking there.

Then what?
This really doesn't have to be this difficult!

M4cruiser

3,654 posts

151 months

Monday 22nd April
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I may be wrong, but I'm guessing the OP is hoping the land has the same status as a public road, in which case he can park there, provided he's also hoping that the "road" in question has somehow missed the adding of parking restrictions that prevent him parking elsewhere on the local road(s).



981Boxess

11,293 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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The Gauge said:
981Boxess said:
So the ‘old man’ tells you he owns it and he doesn’t want you parking there.

Then what?
This really doesn't have to be this difficult!
Correct - nobody should park on land they don’t own without getting permission from the owner first.

RSTurboPaul

10,401 posts

259 months

Monday 22nd April
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anotherbigspender said:
Pit Pony said:


I'd like to find out who owns the green land in this picture. A Relative owns one of the houses that has a boundary with what appears to be owned by nobody. I suggested they moved the fence, and see if anyone questions them .
LLANDDONA COMMUNITY COUNCIL (Local Authority), 4 Gorddinog Terrace, Llangoed, Beaumaris, Isle Of Anglesey LL58 8NG

Note that the strip between Woolbrooke House / Brookfield and the property which backs on to them is unregistered, but I'd be surprised if the Council didn't own that bit too.
You might need to consult whatever is the equivalent of a Local Plan for the area that sets out land use in the area - it might be designated green space and therefore not possible to (covertly or by seeking permission) incorporate it into a private property.