Flummoxed by a small meter
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xllifts said:
Simpo Two said:
I have also not been on a course on how to operate light switches which are mains and therefore very dangerous. I am frightened it may go wrong and I might kill myself; in fact you may be in the nick of time to save my life.
Lucky you turned up really. Please quote me for coming over in about 30 minutes to operate my bedside light for me.
If you can't contribute anything useful, save your 'industry outrage' for somebody else please.
Its far from an Industry outrage, its a statement of how incompetent fools play with fire and then get burnt costing us trained professionals in the pocket!Lucky you turned up really. Please quote me for coming over in about 30 minutes to operate my bedside light for me.
If you can't contribute anything useful, save your 'industry outrage' for somebody else please.
Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 14th November 00:48
Items such as test equipment should not be allowed for general public purchase to stop unskilled people meddling with stuff they have no knowledge on.
For a constructive comment
'you don't have a clue so leave it alone'
HTH
king form and then going through a bloody course to buy a multi meter.Go shove your elf and safety up your arse
If mulitmeters are banned i shall go back to tickling things with a bare wire and seeing how big the sparks are as that is far safer
Electricity is a fairly safe quantity to work with. Far safer and more straightforward than, say, gas. Unfortunately so many "knowledgeable" idiots who thought that they were doing have caused untold numbers of deaths and fires the laws regarding its use have been tightened up. It is almost impossible now to buy something as simple as a mains plug because simple minded idiots repeatedly wired them up incorrectly! 3 wires, 3 pins... It's not rocket science FFF!
xllifts said:
Its far from an Industry outrage, its a statement of how incompetent fools play with fire and then get burnt costing us trained professionals in the pocket!
Items such as test equipment should not be allowed for general public purchase to stop unskilled people meddling with stuff they have no knowledge on.
For a constructive comment
'you don't have a clue so leave it alone'
HTH
My apologies for being a little sarcastic last night but it was late and I didn't expect such an attack.Items such as test equipment should not be allowed for general public purchase to stop unskilled people meddling with stuff they have no knowledge on.
For a constructive comment
'you don't have a clue so leave it alone'
HTH
You should write a strongly worded letter of complaint to Maplin and every other company that sells meters, and do it today before any harm is done. It is not my fault for buying it; after all I am simply an ignorant fool bedazzled by shiny things. It is their fault for selling it.
Now the question, before you waded in puffing your chest out was 'How to read the current of a 13W solar panel with a meter?'. You told me I was ignorant, should go on a course, and that 20mA would stop my heart.
This sort of silly fact, whilst no doubt correct in certain (undefined) circumstances, is akin to saying 'A bucket of water can kill 12 people'. Yes it, can, if they stick their head in it for long enough, but we are still allowed to carry buckets of water around without safety certificates and training courses.
My field is photography, and if someone posts a question about cameras I don't tell them 'You're ignorant, go on a course'. It would save me much time, but when they replied that they felt my comment unhlepful and aggressive, I could warn them that a camera can kill them. And it will, under certain circumstances.
Actually, I just realised that the batteries in my cameras probably put out more than 20mA - how can I still be alive? Just lucky I guess.
And so to regain some sense of perspective, I am not fititng a distribution borad in a house and I am not wiring up an electricity sub-station, I am simply connecting a poxy meter to a poxy solar panel that couldn't tickle an ant. Indeed, if you can think of any way that a car battery and a solar panel could be used with fatal consequences I'd be interested to hear them, so that I can avoid them and therefore be less ignorant.
The trick to forum advice is to disseminate one's information in the best way to assist. Everyone who posts for advice on a forum is ignorant of the answer, or they would not be posting! Naturally if someone posts 'I am about to stick a metal rod into mains socket, will it hurt?' then you can dive in guns blazing. But simply to brag about your qualifications whilst not providing any useful information is silly, and words such as 't
t' are not awfully constructive either Mr Poledriver. But perhaps it was the only thing you could think of.
Poledriver said:
Electricity is a fairly safe quantity to work with. Far safer and more straightforward than, say, gas. Unfortunately so many "knowledgeable" idiots who thought that they were doing have caused untold numbers of deaths and fires the laws regarding its use have been tightened up.
When you've finished banging your head against the PistonHeads Homes, Gardens and DIY Forum wall you can come and sit in the pub and down a few drinks with me....
Ferg said:
Poledriver said:
Electricity is a fairly safe quantity to work with. Far safer and more straightforward than, say, gas. Unfortunately so many "knowledgeable" idiots who thought that they were doing have caused untold numbers of deaths and fires the laws regarding its use have been tightened up.
When you've finished banging your head against the PistonHeads Homes, Gardens and DIY Forum wall you can come and sit in the pub and down a few drinks with me....
tr7v8 said:
Some complete crap being spouted here. 12V off a lead acid might burn you if you short it out but you aren't going to get a shock from it! Was Simpo being a numpty? yup but he ain't going to impact anyone's PI.
Far easier to set him right rather than all the grandstanding.
Quantify Crap..... You are very mislead if you think you wont get a poke off a 12v lead acid or lsa or gel for that matter. Far easier to set him right rather than all the grandstanding.
30 years dealing with batteries, AC/DC electronics, and electro mechanical engineering gives me the advantage of witnessing incidents of complacency 'because its a battery it wont hurt' scenario.
To your statement of its not going to impact on Public Liability, IT does especially if he's taken to hospital, it then falls under RIDDOR.
GarryA said:
If you put a meter set up for current across a supply you will put a dead short on and probably blow the supply before the meter.
Can I join in? What kind of meter would not have a fuse, or be able to short out the supply? I assume it's a meter that comes with jumplead-like wires to the probes? 
-Pete- said:
GarryA said:
If you put a meter set up for current across a supply you will put a dead short on and probably blow the supply before the meter.
Can I join in? What kind of meter would not have a fuse, or be able to short out the supply? I assume it's a meter that comes with jumplead-like wires to the probes? Report back what happens please.
I'd rather assumed that the OP had not used his meter to measure current in series with a battery, where the battery and the meter were the only components in the circuit.
I suppose I could be wrong!
IF you do this then the fuse is going to blow. Then the meter won't do anything when you try to measure current. Perhaps the OP should check the fuse, and if it's blown, do some revision on electrical matters.
I suppose I could be wrong!
IF you do this then the fuse is going to blow. Then the meter won't do anything when you try to measure current. Perhaps the OP should check the fuse, and if it's blown, do some revision on electrical matters.
Edited by dilbert on Sunday 14th November 20:52
GarryA said:
-Pete- said:
GarryA said:
If you put a meter set up for current across a supply you will put a dead short on and probably blow the supply before the meter.
Can I join in? What kind of meter would not have a fuse, or be able to short out the supply? I assume it's a meter that comes with jumplead-like wires to the probes? Report back what happens please.
Around 15 years ago I was working in a bakery and the Maintainance fitter wired up an inline 12volt dc plug and socket to a small fork lift incorrectly, he had damp hands, picked up the pinned end which was live and burnt 3 holes straight through his hand, no fuses 12 volt battery system 3 brass pins sticking out the back of the hand bubbling skin not pretty.
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