Itchy dog

[sw67]

I would get the vet to talk to petplan and they can get a treatment plan pre authorised. The vet is then paid direct. - if i remember our patch allergy test was £500 and was negative

[Flat6er]

Update,

Blood tests came back allergic to all types of grass and 3 of the 6 types of tree pollen tested for.

We have asked for allergens to be made up to start injecting him with, as having a dog that cant go outside is silly. so in the meantime are treating his sore bits with a steriod spray.

Its all a bit nasty, poor mite is off his food now too.

[Jasandjules]

Poor little camper.

Have you considered homeopathic treatments?

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

Poor little camper.

Have you considered homeopathic treatments?

Desens injections are very effective and safe and based on antibodies, their effect may be sped up combined with natural remedies though I suppose.

Edited by bexVN on Saturday 26th May 19:06

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

Desens injections are very effective and safe and based on antibodies, their effect may be sped up combined with natural remedies though I suppose.

Do you know what is in them? (I hope that does come across as a genuine question and not being ar**y as that is what I intend!)

I recently "found out" - but I hope it's not true - what can be used to make vaccinations.....

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

Desens injections are very effective and safe and based on antibodies, their effect may be sped up combined with natural remedies though I suppose.

Do you know what is in them? (I hope that does come across as a genuine question and not being ar**y as that is what I intend!)

I recently "found out" - but I hope it's not true - what can be used to make vaccinations.....

Truth is I don't but judging by the amount of animals we have on them and how well they do I think sometimes we really have to draw the line and realise that some medicines do improve quality of life and the intention of these products is not to try and kill off a pet or add to their health problems but to actually help.

However I can probably find out so I will look into it. TO be fair even natural products have their risks/ dangers and side effects. They're not always the safer alternative.

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

Truth is I don't but judging by the amount of animals we have on them and how well they do I think sometimes we really have to draw the line and realise that some medicines do improve quality of life and the intention of these products is not to try and kill off a pet or add to their health problems but to actually help.

However I can probably find out so I will look into it. TO be fair even natural products have their risks/ dangers and side effects. They're not always the safer alternative.

True enough.

But most conventional medicines have side effects, even for people. I have been rather unlucky in my time with my pets who have had all sorts of reactions to all sorts!!

I've so far had one adverse reaction to a natural product (well, homeopathy). But better successes overall than I've had with conventional medicines.

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

Truth is I don't but judging by the amount of animals we have on them and how well they do I think sometimes we really have to draw the line and realise that some medicines do improve quality of life and the intention of these products is not to try and kill off a pet or add to their health problems but to actually help.

However I can probably find out so I will look into it. TO be fair even natural products have their risks/ dangers and side effects. They're not always the safer alternative.

True enough.

But most conventional medicines have side effects, even for people. I have been rather unlucky in my time with my pets who have had all sorts of reactions to all sorts!!

I've so far had one adverse reaction to a natural product (well, homeopathy). But better successes overall than I've had with conventional medicines.

So far the general consensus seems to be that allergy vaccines are very safe, which is good to know

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

So far the general consensus seems to be that allergy vaccines are very safe, which is good to know

Sure is. I have no doubt my s**ding dog would react though!!

But then again I know of a few people who have had serious problems with microchips but have not reported it, meaning they are "totally safe".....

I suppose I am far too cynical these days.

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

So far the general consensus seems to be that allergy vaccines are very safe, which is good to know

Sure is. I have no doubt my s**ding dog would react though!!

But then again I know of a few people who have had serious problems with microchips but have not reported it, meaning they are "totally safe".....

I suppose I am far too cynical these days.

Yes I think you are!

Really what problems have these people had.

When thousands of animals get chipped every year there is a chance of soemthing happening, such as the chip migrating, does this mean you wouldn't chip your pets!

I have seen animals being chipped for almost 20yrs now and apart from the odd chip falling out or migrating to another area of the body I really do not know of any other issues, esp serious ones. I'm amazed you know of a few people. Why would they not report it, thats just stupid. Should a pet of mine have a serious reaction to something as inert as a chip I'd report it. Honestly I am really getting sick and tired of this constant attacking of anything vet related

[R300will]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

Truth is I don't but judging by the amount of animals we have on them and how well they do I think sometimes we really have to draw the line and realise that some medicines do improve quality of life and the intention of these products is not to try and kill off a pet or add to their health problems but to actually help.

However I can probably find out so I will look into it. TO be fair even natural products have their risks/ dangers and side effects. They're not always the safer alternative.

True enough.

But most conventional medicines have side effects, even for people. I have been rather unlucky in my time with my pets who have had all sorts of reactions to all sorts!!

I've so far had one adverse reaction to a natural product (well, homeopathy). But better successes overall than I've had with conventional medicines.

Homeopathy is just water so its hard to react to it

[Jasandjules]

R300will said:

Homeopathy is just water so its hard to react to it

Well, come on round and I can show you the urine spread along my hallway each and every time the dog gets a tablet......... Within about 2 mins too.

[R300will]

Jasandjules said:

R300will said:

Homeopathy is just water so its hard to react to it

Well, come on round and I can show you the urine spread along my hallway each and every time the dog gets a tablet......... Within about 2 mins too.

So every time you give the dog a tablet it reacts by pising all over the hallway?

If it can caused by be any tablet and not a certain type i would say that the dog's had a bad previous experience with you and medication

[Jasandjules]

R300will said:

So every time you give the dog a tablet it reacts by pising all over the hallway?

If it can caused by be any tablet and not a certain type i would say that the dog's had a bad previous experience with you and medication

Yup.

Well, that would be you wrong. She gets 8 tablets a day. Three of them make her urinate, last night in fact was a new record as it was within about 10 seconds but she was in the garden, which is what we do now, take her into the garden to give her these tablets.

Not sure how hard you think it is to tablet a dog!!

In any event, are you suggesting that my vet is lying to me and charging me money for things which are simply water?

[R300will]

Jasandjules said:

R300will said:

So every time you give the dog a tablet it reacts by pising all over the hallway?

If it can caused by be any tablet and not a certain type i would say that the dog's had a bad previous experience with you and medication

Yup.

Well, that would be you wrong. She gets 8 tablets a day. Three of them make her urinate, last night in fact was a new record as it was within about 10 seconds but she was in the garden, which is what we do now, take her into the garden to give her these tablets.

Not sure how hard you think it is to tablet a dog!!

In any event, are you suggesting that my vet is lying to me and charging me money for things which are simply water?

So you're saying within 10 seconds of you giving her the tablet she urinates? That's likely nothing to do with the composition of the tablet and more some sort or behavioural conditioning perhaps, like pascal's dogs (not sure on the name) salavating when he rang a bell.

Also i don't know what the vet has prescribed to you and your dog so i couldn't say, really i was having a bit of a jibe at homeopathy as a general treatment.

[Jasandjules]

R300will said:

So you're saying within 10 seconds of you giving her the tablet she urinates? That's likely nothing to do with the composition of the tablet and more some sort or behavioural conditioning perhaps, like pascal's dogs (not sure on the name) salavating when he rang a bell.

Also i don't know what the vet has prescribed to you and your dog so i couldn't say, really i was having a bit of a jibe at homeopathy as a general treatment.

Actually last night it was within about 3 seconds. I do hope you are not trying to suggest I beat my dog so that she is now so scared she urinates when I tablet her.

It was Pavlov who had the dogs, and Eddie Izzard knows about his cats too....

Well, perhaps you want to have a word with my vet then? I can provide the contact details, after all, I am sure he will agree with you. As will these people http://www.bahvs.com/

You can keep with your closed mind and lack of knowledge about the subject, me, I prefer to look at everything.

[bexVN]

It is a physical impossibility for drugs taken by mouth to work in 3 seconds. Even IV drugs would be hard pushed to beat that.

And I'm referring to anything, homeopathic or otherwise.

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

It is a physical impossibility for drugs taken by mouth to work in 3 seconds. Even IV drugs would be hard pushed to beat that.

And I'm referring to anything, homeopathic or otherwise.

I would agree with you but it's a very, very strange thing. And what makes it stranger is that when she first started taking them it took about 10-15 mins, and over the weeks the time has reduced. It really is strange, but now we have to make sure she's in the garden before she gets her medicine! And I wish I could say it was simply that she gets a tablet and pees, but she gets other treatment each day and doesn't pee afterwards.

[R300will]

Jasandjules said:

R300will said:

So you're saying within 10 seconds of you giving her the tablet she urinates? That's likely nothing to do with the composition of the tablet and more some sort or behavioural conditioning perhaps, like pascal's dogs (not sure on the name) salavating when he rang a bell.

Also i don't know what the vet has prescribed to you and your dog so i couldn't say, really i was having a bit of a jibe at homeopathy as a general treatment.

Actually last night it was within about 3 seconds. I do hope you are not trying to suggest I beat my dog so that she is now so scared she urinates when I tablet her.

It was Pavlov who had the dogs, and Eddie Izzard knows about his cats too....

Well, perhaps you want to have a word with my vet then? I can provide the contact details, after all, I am sure he will agree with you. As will these people http://www.bahvs.com/

You can keep with your closed mind and lack of knowledge about the subject, me, I prefer to look at everything.

Firstly i think you need to calm down i was only having a bit of fun with homeopathy. Thankfully i am stil learning and therefore get taught the 'up to date' methods and technologies regarding treatment of conditions etc. So i can ask some professors here about their opinions on homeopathy and whether it is a legitimate form of treatment or completely unfounded.

Secondly a tablet will not have reached the stomach in 3 seconds so there is no way it is causing the dog to pee which points to a behavioural problem more. Again i've never seen your dog so i could be wrong but i seriously doubt its the tablets.

I have a very open mind about medicine because i am still learning new and exciting things almost every day, i was only joking with you.

[Jasandjules]

R300will said:

I have a very open mind about medicine because i am still learning new and exciting things almost every day, i was only joking with you.

Glad to hear it. And also ask your professors how much money is made from vaccinations etc.. Usual rules re: follow the money apply!?!? I would say also that medicine has been found to be one of the most corrupt professions by some independent reports IIRC, I so hope that vets are different!

And yes, I apologise, right now I am awfully touchy because my beloved dog has bone cancer and frankly I am just basically waiting for the time to make the call. So I am a most unhappy camper.