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parakitaMol.

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10,059 posts

120 months

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R1gtr said:
If I was out walking and saw a owner in the distance recalling their dogs and putting them on the lead I would think that maybe their dog is aggressive and they are taking precautions so I will keep mine well away, I would NOT think it is a good idea to let mine run up to it to investigate.
Exactly.
I call mine to heel or lead depending, (they are never very far anyway, always walk within a few paces from me as they are timid). They never rush up to greet others and my wirehair tucks in behind me... most owners observe this, in fact today, a lady saw us in the distance and immediately put her large bouncy GSD on a leash, as we passed I said, "thanks I really appreciate that", she said 'oh I always do that for small dogs as she tries to play with everything but she doesn't realise she is way too big for little ones like yours'... if ONLY more people were like this! that's all it takes. Oh that and for the brain-deads to not be allowed dogs in the first place.

Who me ?

3,873 posts

81 months

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parakitaMol. said:
Exactly.
I call mine to heel or lead depending, (they are never very far anyway, always walk within a few paces from me as they are timid). They never rush up to greet others and my wirehair tucks in behind me... most owners observe this, in fact today, a lady saw us in the distance and immediately put her large bouncy GSD on a leash, as we passed I said, "thanks I really appreciate that", she said 'oh I always do that for small dogs as she tries to play with everything but she doesn't realise she is way too big for little ones like yours'... if ONLY more people were like this! that's all it takes. Oh that and for the brain-deads to not be allowed dogs in the first place.
Now that lady is a prize example of what I would define as a proper dog owner. In past threads some one did ,jokingly or otherwise refer to Terriers as "rabbit killers". This might wake some folks up. I've got a large Cairn, and he loves to meet Westies ( in fact just White Cairns). They were doing what dogs do ,when I remarked on the times I've had to protect him from a Staffie. His comment- as a kid ,he saw a Westie ( ball of fluff ?) threatened by a Great Dane. Next minute GD was dead. Westie had shot between the back legs and attacked the throat. Instinct. At eight,mine was attacked by a Staff, approx the same size.Mine slipped his lead
One moment mine was at Staffs throat, next he'd almost ripped the undercart out of this Staff. Next he was carted off to the car, still snarling, before the younger dog got a grip . My mission in life,as an owner ,is not to let a situation get this far. I'm not glorifying dog on dog attacks,IMHO, it's up to us as owners to socialise dogs at an early age .
It's up to us a decent owners to stop dog bullying, so that we can let all our pets argue it out on a tree . Again ,it's up to the law( and dog societies) to stamp out bully boy tactics,and let decent owners allow their dogs to mix freely without fear of attack .
I love Staffs ,and Old English bull terriers, but with Pitbulls curtailed/banned, this will be the thugs dog of choice ,along with Rotties.
One thing I have found with dogs ,is that if you have a partner to control your dogs, most dogs will retreat from an attack.Advance slowly to the dog, keeping eye contact, with your arms outspread. You are then threatening the dog. The vast majority of dogs will squeal, turn tail and run. Some may attack, be ready for this . I've yet to have one have a go. Tip came from an old friend ,who did this to an RAF GS on a camp. The dog fled screaming.

derektrimblitz

117 posts

30 months

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I don't see why all doggies can't just be friends

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3,873 posts

81 months

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derektrimblitz said:
I don't see why all doggies can't just be friends
READ my last post ,and then ASK WHY .

pikeyboy

1,796 posts

83 months

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Now that lady is a prize example of what I would define as a proper dog owner. In past threads some one did ,jokingly or otherwise refer to Terriers as "rabbit killers". This might wake some folks up. I've got a large Cairn, and he loves to meet Westies ( in fact just White Cairns). They were doing what dogs do ,when I remarked on the times I've had to protect him from a Staffie. His comment- as a kid ,he saw a Westie ( ball of fluff ?) threatened by a Great Dane. Next minute GD was dead. Westie had shot between the back legs and attacked the throat. Instinct. At eight,mine was attacked by a Staff, approx the same size.Mine slipped his lead
One moment mine was at Staffs throat, next he'd almost ripped the undercart out of this Staff. Next he was carted off to the car, still snarling, before the younger dog got a grip . My mission in life,as an owner ,is not to let a situation get this far. I'm not glorifying dog on dog attacks,IMHO, it's up to us as owners to socialise dogs at an early age .
It's up to us a decent owners to stop dog bullying, so that we can let all our pets argue it out on a tree . Again ,it's up to the law( and dog societies) to stamp out bully boy tactics,and let decent owners allow their dogs to mix freely without fear of attack .
I love Staffs ,and Old English bull terriers, but with Pitbulls curtailed/banned, this will be the thugs dog of choice ,along with Rotties.
One thing I have found with dogs ,is that if you have a partner to control your dogs, most dogs will retreat from an attack.Advance slowly to the dog, keeping eye contact, with your arms outspread. You are then threatening the dog. The vast majority of dogs will squeal, turn tail and run. Some may attack, be ready for this . I've yet to have one have a go. Tip came from an old friend ,who did this to an RAF GS on a camp. The dog fled screaming.
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She is a good example except I do this for all sizes of dogs irrespective of size and sexual orientation. I don't want my ladies mixing with the great unwashed of the dog population, I mean you don't know who's been sniffing their bum.
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andrew186

148 posts

32 months

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run towards the attacking dog like a mad man and fight it off ! thats what i would do if my innocent dog was under attack

balders118

3,229 posts

37 months

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My mable is perfect with other dogs, but if I see another dog going on a lead, or already on a lead I will ALWAYS put her on her lead too, it's just irresponsible not to.

Some dogs mable plays furiously with, others she has a sniff and walks off. Sometimes she doesn't even say hello. She's a 6 month old patterdale/JRT for reference.

Saying this, there is one dog she just doesn't seem to get on with. No idea why perhaps someone with some knowledge might be able to answer... it's a little (very little) JRT/mini poodle who is the same age as Mable and the firt time they met mable was very over the top playing, not viscous but boderline, so we stopped her and parted ways. They met again yesterday and she had a little growl at the JRT/Poodle and then had a little scrap with one of her regular play mates (a Patterdale who is a few weeks younger than her) - stopped them, the JRT/poodle left, and all was good again. Mine and the younger Patterdale played happily for a further 30 minutes.

Sorry for the OT derail, just wondered if any behaviour types would know why this might occur?

parakitaMol.

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120 months

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I don't know if it's connected but my dogs are more likely to dislike fluffy or wooly coated / round shaped dogs, especially if they have hair that falls over their eyes, also they don't like big black dogs. But floppy long coats upset them, on humans OR dogs

balders118

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37 months

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parakitaMol. said:
I don't know if it's connected but my dogs are more likely to dislike fluffy or wooly coated / round shaped dogs, especially if they have hair that falls over their eyes, also they don't like big black dogs. But floppy long coats upset them, on humans OR dogs
hmmm I don't think its the appearence. It looks, tbh, like a yorkshire terrier, and shes fine around every other scruffy terrier.

Jasandjules

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98 months

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parakitaMol. said:
I don't know if it's connected but my dogs are more likely to dislike fluffy or wooly coated / round shaped dogs, especially if they have hair that falls over their eyes, also they don't like big black dogs. But floppy long coats upset them, on humans OR dogs
Yes, this is common, dogs work on body language. If they can't see the body language then they have to decide if it is a threat - some dogs now have what is in effect a threat posture in their coat which leads to attacks. Basically the poor feckers are being prevented from speaking dog to each other.... As they can't see eyes/facial expression, ear location/position, tail, back etc..


Lunablack

2,844 posts

31 months

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My wife was walking Burt a few weeks back, when he was attacked by a Greyhound, it grabbed him around the neck and went to shake him, but before he had chance SWMBO, managed to get the boot in....and in doing so, went over on her anklefrown
5 weeks later and she still can't walk without pain (tendon damage).

Personally I wouldn't hesitate at giving any dog attacking my dog a good kicking... Or a whack with a walking stick..


HowMuchLonger

2,605 posts

62 months

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Jasandjules said:
parakitaMol. said:
I don't know if it's connected but my dogs are more likely to dislike fluffy or wooly coated / round shaped dogs, especially if they have hair that falls over their eyes, also they don't like big black dogs. But floppy long coats upset them, on humans OR dogs
Yes, this is common, dogs work on body language. If they can't see the body language then they have to decide if it is a threat - some dogs now have what is in effect a threat posture in their coat which leads to attacks. Basically the poor feckers are being prevented from speaking dog to each other.... As they can't see eyes/facial expression, ear location/position, tail, back etc..
New dogs often try to sniff where Akira's eye should be (so they can sense that something is wrong), and he gets grumpy about it.

Thevet

1,044 posts

102 months

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Sunday 15th July 2012 quote quote all
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Now that lady is a prize example of what I would define as a proper dog owner. In past threads some one did ,jokingly or otherwise refer to Terriers as "rabbit killers". This might wake some folks up. I've got a large Cairn, and he loves to meet Westies ( in fact just White Cairns). They were doing what dogs do ,when I remarked on the times I've had to protect him from a Staffie. His comment- as a kid ,he saw a Westie ( ball of fluff ?) threatened by a Great Dane. Next minute GD was dead. Westie had shot between the back legs and attacked the throat. Instinct. At eight,mine was attacked by a Staff, approx the same size.Mine slipped his lead
One moment mine was at Staffs throat, next he'd almost ripped the undercart out of this Staff. Next he was carted off to the car, still snarling, before the younger dog got a grip . My mission in life,as an owner ,is not to let a situation get this far. I'm not glorifying dog on dog attacks,IMHO, it's up to us as owners to socialise dogs at an early age .
It's up to us a decent owners to stop dog bullying, so that we can let all our pets argue it out on a tree . Again ,it's up to the law( and dog societies) to stamp out bully boy tactics,and let decent owners allow their dogs to mix freely without fear of attack .
I love Staffs ,and Old English bull terriers, but with Pitbulls curtailed/banned, this will be the thugs dog of choice ,along with Rotties.

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Seems to be a bit OTT regarding the ability of one dog to destroy another. Maybe some posters should be kept on a lead when in company?
Some dogs will not mix, hence why my rescued mutt (a rottie) isn't allowed to meet others off the lead. Doesn't mean I'm not a decent owner because I don't allow him to mix freely.
There should be no proud boasting of how a dog ripped something else to bits, that's how dog-fighting begins.

TrophyMax

240 posts

62 months

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I'm getting more and more frustrated with the amount of dog owners who think it's perfectly acceptable to let their dog approach mine in an unfriendly manner. A Bull Dog approached just this weekend, the owner said "it's alright, she's as soft as a brush" that may be true but understandably my small dog (15" to the shoulders) is quite nervous when something 3-4 times her size comes at her at speed with its head lowered.

I have nothing against large dogs, we had two GSDs when I was a child but I just wish owners would understand that they can be quite intimidating to smaller dogs.

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dhf

1,103 posts

63 months

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I was attacked two nights running in Ireland walking my Girlfriends Mothers Chiwawa in Limerick (Nickname stab city) by the way i am 6 foot 6,ex army.all i could think about was saving the dog so took a few for the sake of the little craiture....There are certain things in life which offend me but large man and small dog........

softtop

2,144 posts

116 months

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Jasandjules said:
If you see a dog with aggressive body language you can stand stock still facing it (square up) and shout NO. Quite a lot of dogs will go "eh?" and stop.

I wonder what plod would say if you carried an air horn and "squirted" it at an aggressive hound?
I had a GSD coming at my dog and as he hid behind me I did this, it works, they know humans deal out commands and lucky to say the distance was kept. Not saying it works every time though always a first port of call.

Trophybloo

645 posts

56 months

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That's why with this sort of situation, getting a minor bite makes it dog on person and action gets taken .

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Actually, it's only dog on person if the dog goes for you primarily. If you are bitten trying to separate a dog attack then les flics don't want to know. Happened when my greyhound was attacked by another of the same breed last year. No time for defensive action as it was instantaneous as we passed. Thank god for pet insurance as it was £2000 pounds worth of operations, antibiotics etc.

parakitaMol.

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Trophybloo said:
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That's why with this sort of situation, getting a minor bite makes it dog on person and action gets taken .
Actually, it's only dog on person if the dog goes for you primarily. If you are bitten trying to separate a dog attack then les flics don't want to know. Happened when my greyhound was attacked by another of the same breed last year. No time for defensive action as it was instantaneous as we passed. Thank god for pet insurance as it was £2000 pounds worth of operations, antibiotics etc.
This is exactly what I was driving at - we 'think' we will have time to respond but when it happens, it happens in a flash, you're not in a position to prepare or have all those 'tools' to hand.... and as the purpose of the OP, this is often much harder for people with small dogs when it's a big dog - I still shudder at the thought of what *nearly* happened with the Rottweiler - being a 9st female with two tiny dogs and in a sleepy seaside town on a sunny afternoon I wasn't carrying heavy torches, sprays or sticks!

Since the incident I have spoken to a number of people whose small dogs have been attacked and I met a lady whose female Dachshund was ripped to shreds (killed) in front of her pup who still bears the physical and mental scars (dear little thing).... she's moved from London to Cheshire as a result.

I'm looking for a house with some land where I can create a safe zone for small dogs.

Edited by parakitaMol. on Saturday 21st July 21:51

frosted

3,549 posts

46 months

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That's extreme

blugnu

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110 months

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Reading this looking for advice as someone who has had to snatch his child of the ground to avoid her being flattened by a dog on two different occasions (two different dogs also) I wonder how any of you would feel if your dog threatened another dog, or a child and it got booted up the jacksie, as many of you are suggesting? Would you blame me, get annoyed because you didn't think your dog was a threat, or send me the vets bill if I broke a rib or something?


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