Cats. Grrrrrr!
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bexVN said:
He urinated through stress not to annoy you. That 's quite sad. A cat that gets so nervous at being shut in a room so has to pee is a very stressed cat.
Trouble is we force cats to live in a permanent state of stress some cope, many don't. Some are far more subtle in showing signs of stress so they get missed, others, as in this case are far more obvious.
He has always been a very nervous cat. We took him and his sister at the same time as rescue kittens, and in terms of confidence they couldn't be more different. Nothing we've done or put him through has made him this way, it just seems he is a bit that way inclined.Trouble is we force cats to live in a permanent state of stress some cope, many don't. Some are far more subtle in showing signs of stress so they get missed, others, as in this case are far more obvious.
Although calling him the phantom piddler is probably doing nothing for his self esteem at the moment.
I know my post may have seemed a little over the top but I really have had enough of complete idiots harming animals.
I just can't understand why anybody would be cruel or want to cause hurt.
Ok animals may cause a mess or whatever but they are animals...they do what they want because they act on instinct.
Humans (well, most of us...) are blessed with sufficient intelligence to be able to understand the consequences of our behaviour and actions and thus we are accountable. Animals can't be held responsible (although clearly if an animal becomes a menace and endangers people or other animals then it has to be dealt with)
By all means find a non-harmful way to discourage animals from scratching etc but don't hurt/kill them.
I just can't understand why anybody would be cruel or want to cause hurt.
Ok animals may cause a mess or whatever but they are animals...they do what they want because they act on instinct.
Humans (well, most of us...) are blessed with sufficient intelligence to be able to understand the consequences of our behaviour and actions and thus we are accountable. Animals can't be held responsible (although clearly if an animal becomes a menace and endangers people or other animals then it has to be dealt with)
By all means find a non-harmful way to discourage animals from scratching etc but don't hurt/kill them.
biggun said:
I know my post may have seemed a little over the top but I really have had enough of complete idiots harming animals.
I just can't understand why anybody would be cruel or want to cause hurt.
Ok animals may cause a mess or whatever but they are animals...they do what they want because they act on instinct.
Humans (well, most of us...) are blessed with sufficient intelligence to be able to understand the consequences of our behaviour and actions and thus we are accountable. Animals can't be held responsible (although clearly if an animal becomes a menace and endangers people or other animals then it has to be dealt with)
By all means find a non-harmful way to discourage animals from scratching etc but don't hurt/kill them.
Just thought I would re-post this from yesterday:I just can't understand why anybody would be cruel or want to cause hurt.
Ok animals may cause a mess or whatever but they are animals...they do what they want because they act on instinct.
Humans (well, most of us...) are blessed with sufficient intelligence to be able to understand the consequences of our behaviour and actions and thus we are accountable. Animals can't be held responsible (although clearly if an animal becomes a menace and endangers people or other animals then it has to be dealt with)
By all means find a non-harmful way to discourage animals from scratching etc but don't hurt/kill them.
ybt1982 said:
Just want to clear something up, I DO NOT want to kill cats 
I like animals and would not hurt any of them, well, maybe Spiders, but they scare the crap out of me
I am just very annoyed at all of the footprints on my car, piss all over the car cover and s
t filled shed. I suppose it could be foxes but I have never seen any around here, whereas I see a lot of cats in and around the estate.
It was a serious question, are there any plug in repelants that work or something that doesn't involve me catching them (in the garage, not catching them in order to dispose of them)?
Just so we are clear I like animals and would not hurt any of them, well, maybe Spiders, but they scare the crap out of me
I am just very annoyed at all of the footprints on my car, piss all over the car cover and s
t filled shed. I suppose it could be foxes but I have never seen any around here, whereas I see a lot of cats in and around the estate.It was a serious question, are there any plug in repelants that work or something that doesn't involve me catching them (in the garage, not catching them in order to dispose of them)?
Old thread but here goes,
Firstly, I´m NOT saying that all cat-owners don´t know what they are doing. there are some responsable and very knowledgable cat-owners outthere.
Get a cat trap. Some cat shelter nearby should have some of these that you can use. Once the cat is in, you make a run to the cat shelter and hand it over to them. If you are lucky, the cat is neutered and ear tatooed or chipped. That way it will be easy to find the owner. Police or a vet just might have a chip reader so the owner can be found. If you can proove this cat did this and that on your property (you need evidence ofcause) you should even be able to charge the oweners for the damages done.
In many cases the problem is not really the cat. it is the owner that is the problem. many - if not most of these (stray) cats are not neutered and vaccinated. Fertile cats mate like mad. As a result cats are over-populated if you will. Then comes many cat owners lack of knowledge about cat behavoiur/nature which is also the reason that many kittens are handed over to new owners at age 8 weeks or sooner. There is a law that stipulate kitten must not be handed over until they are at least 12 weeks old. There is a good reason that this law exsists. Kittens learn cat language and behaviour up until then and sometimes it takes longer. So if they are removed from their mother and siblings before they are 12 weeks old, behavioural problems often occur such as scratching everywhere they shouldn´t, piss and.... everywhere-else but in the tray, clawing, licking a lot, sleeping where they shouldn´t and other kinds of behaviour that is undesired. Then comes holiday times, where the owners go away - and leave the cat to it´s own. Heck even where I live (DK) cats "on holiday" with the family are often left behind when the family goes back home.
Neutered cats will have a tatoo or a chip so it will be easy to find the owner. They are somewhat less likly to run away for days and weeks. Their territory is largely reduced, and so is the need to urinate etc everywhere.
We have 3 cats - all neuetered and vaccinated. We live on a ground with two duplexes, and altogehter we have 7 cats. We did a run around the neighbourghood to talk to them about the cats, and to clarify wether or not they like them running around. We equipted them with spraybottles just in case, and asked them to let us know if the cats did anything unacceptable. Thankfully all of them like cats and love to have them around. But allways talk to neighbours, have them neutered and vaccinated and feed them with good quality cat food. The better the cat food is - the less the cats will Sh.t. They should be fed with high proteine food even when neutered.
If neighbours have a problem with it, then put up a high fence around the garden. That way the cats can still go outside but not leave the home.
If it is to be kept inside. Make an indoor inviroment that fullfills the cat´s needs and natural instincts. It is possible.
Firstly, I´m NOT saying that all cat-owners don´t know what they are doing. there are some responsable and very knowledgable cat-owners outthere.
Get a cat trap. Some cat shelter nearby should have some of these that you can use. Once the cat is in, you make a run to the cat shelter and hand it over to them. If you are lucky, the cat is neutered and ear tatooed or chipped. That way it will be easy to find the owner. Police or a vet just might have a chip reader so the owner can be found. If you can proove this cat did this and that on your property (you need evidence ofcause) you should even be able to charge the oweners for the damages done.
In many cases the problem is not really the cat. it is the owner that is the problem. many - if not most of these (stray) cats are not neutered and vaccinated. Fertile cats mate like mad. As a result cats are over-populated if you will. Then comes many cat owners lack of knowledge about cat behavoiur/nature which is also the reason that many kittens are handed over to new owners at age 8 weeks or sooner. There is a law that stipulate kitten must not be handed over until they are at least 12 weeks old. There is a good reason that this law exsists. Kittens learn cat language and behaviour up until then and sometimes it takes longer. So if they are removed from their mother and siblings before they are 12 weeks old, behavioural problems often occur such as scratching everywhere they shouldn´t, piss and.... everywhere-else but in the tray, clawing, licking a lot, sleeping where they shouldn´t and other kinds of behaviour that is undesired. Then comes holiday times, where the owners go away - and leave the cat to it´s own. Heck even where I live (DK) cats "on holiday" with the family are often left behind when the family goes back home.
Neutered cats will have a tatoo or a chip so it will be easy to find the owner. They are somewhat less likly to run away for days and weeks. Their territory is largely reduced, and so is the need to urinate etc everywhere.
We have 3 cats - all neuetered and vaccinated. We live on a ground with two duplexes, and altogehter we have 7 cats. We did a run around the neighbourghood to talk to them about the cats, and to clarify wether or not they like them running around. We equipted them with spraybottles just in case, and asked them to let us know if the cats did anything unacceptable. Thankfully all of them like cats and love to have them around. But allways talk to neighbours, have them neutered and vaccinated and feed them with good quality cat food. The better the cat food is - the less the cats will Sh.t. They should be fed with high proteine food even when neutered.
If neighbours have a problem with it, then put up a high fence around the garden. That way the cats can still go outside but not leave the home.
If it is to be kept inside. Make an indoor inviroment that fullfills the cat´s needs and natural instincts. It is possible.
lenats31 said:
Get a cat trap. Some cat shelter nearby should have some of these that you can use. Once the cat is in, you make a run to the cat shelter and hand it over to them.
And of the cats that you catch that happen to belong to neighbours - do you let them go or take them to the local rescue centre as well?At least cats dont make you pick up their sh-t,You also dont have to restrain them or muzzle them when their out a walk,they dont pi-s on every lampost in the district,you dont have to take them out in the pis-ing rain for a walk or wake you up in the morning howling their nuts off.Cats Every time.....................................
In England there is no legal requirement to have your neutered cat chipped (we rarely tattoo) so there is no guarantee an owned cat will be chipped, so no guarantee of tracing a cat after it's been trapped!
Most rescue centres will only trap a cat if injured obvious strays etc
Neither so we have a law that stops kittens being sold before 12 weeks
Most rescue centres will only trap a cat if injured obvious strays etc
Neither so we have a law that stops kittens being sold before 12 weeks
Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 10th October 21:58
ybt1982 said:
Hiya folks
So, it seems that although they can walk all over your car - leaving nice paw prints and scratches all over the paintwork - they can piss on your car cover and they can fill your shed with st, you are apparently still not allowed to kill cats.
So now knowing this fact, does anybody have any advice on how I can keep them away from my garage? Even better would be away from my house al together.
Nick
Close the garage that will fox the buggers!So, it seems that although they can walk all over your car - leaving nice paw prints and scratches all over the paintwork - they can piss on your car cover and they can fill your shed with s
t, you are apparently still not allowed to kill cats.So now knowing this fact, does anybody have any advice on how I can keep them away from my garage? Even better would be away from my house al together.
Nick
bexVN said:
In England there is no legal requirement to have your neutered cat chipped (we rarely tattoo) so there is no guarantee an owned cat will be chipped, so no guarantee of tracing a cat after it's been trapped!
Most rescue centres will only trap a cat if injured obvious strays etc
Neither so we have a law that stops kittens being sold before 12 weeks
FMost rescue centres will only trap a cat if injured obvious strays etc
Neither so we have a law that stops kittens being sold before 12 weeks
Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 10th October 21:58
Ing HNo legal age for selling kittens - no wonder people complain about them!
I would still look into borrowing a trap if you are bothered by cats set it up yourself and bring the kitty and the trap back again.
And there is no legal requirement for neutering, chipping or tatooing ie. registering your cat where I am neither. Still you should do it, as it reduces some of the problems with cats. Revir - fertile cat: 8 miles
I´m not coming down on you or anything like that
We let ours run free. All of them are neutered, tatooed , registered and vaccinated, anti-flea treated and all that , but if we do run into complaints about them, that´s the minute we put a high fence around our garden. Our pets and their actions = our responsablity. We (my family and I) can´t blame others for not wanting our pets to pester their private premises. They they didn´t choose to let our cats run free... we did, and so we must face up to them and pay for damages if any.
Here, borrowing a cat trap is no problem.
I´m not coming down on you or anything like that
We let ours run free. All of them are neutered, tatooed , registered and vaccinated, anti-flea treated and all that , but if we do run into complaints about them, that´s the minute we put a high fence around our garden. Our pets and their actions = our responsablity. We (my family and I) can´t blame others for not wanting our pets to pester their private premises. They they didn´t choose to let our cats run free... we did, and so we must face up to them and pay for damages if any.
Here, borrowing a cat trap is no problem.
Edited by lenats31 on Thursday 11th October 08:16
I don't think the idea of using a trap has been well thought out. Bad idea if you ask me, wrong idea.
Cats are a part of our lives, they have been for many many hundreds of years. I am often amazed at the response along the lines of kill it murderously to death from the internet from what apparently are big brave blokes and are afraid of a little pussy.
Cats are a part of our lives, they have been for many many hundreds of years. I am often amazed at the response along the lines of kill it murderously to death from the internet from what apparently are big brave blokes and are afraid of a little pussy.
jmorgan said:
I don't think the idea of using a trap has been well thought out. Bad idea if you ask me, wrong idea.
Cats are a part of our lives, they have been for many many hundreds of years. I am often amazed at the response along the lines of kill it murderously to death from the internet from what apparently are big brave blokes and are afraid of a little pussy.
The kind of cat trap that we use here do not kill cats. they don´t even hurt them. They are meant to catch them and only that.Cats are a part of our lives, they have been for many many hundreds of years. I am often amazed at the response along the lines of kill it murderously to death from the internet from what apparently are big brave blokes and are afraid of a little pussy.
lenats31 said:
The kind of cat trap that we use here do not kill cats. they don´t even hurt them. They are meant to catch them and only that.
Seen them. We had a stray puss in obvious distress wandering around and it was a long hair in a hell of a state, stray, the local cat protection put a trap out to try to catch it. In the end we found out a local cat lover took it in, we next saw it shaved...... obviously been to the vet and start again with the long coat.I digress. Trapping humanly is not directly the issue though I would have an issue with it and if I saw one intended for what you describe, I am sure my shovel would render it useless. Taking a cat away and expecting the owner to track it down certainly is an issue. I notice you are not UK, the law over here as far as I am aware does not hold owners responsible so would not get anywhere in a court? That raises the hackles of the cat haters.
L22KMD said:
At least cats dont make you pick up their sh-t,
Really. Try living round our way then where we are overrun with cats, next door have 3 and we clean up daily after them when they constantly leave piles of poo over our gravel next to our vehicles. Already cleaned up 3 piles this morning and I see yet another pile has been done.Gassing Station | All Creatures Great & Small | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff