Cats. Grrrrrr!

[whoami]

oldnbold said:

whoami said:

We've got plenty of irrelevant, petty, rules and regulations in the UK already.

Yes we have. And also a big problem with lazy pet owners who won't take responsability for the nuisance that their animals cause.

Really?

[otolith]

lenats31 said:

No matter what, we can´t force others to like having our pets on their grounds, nor can we force these people to move away.

If you live in a community, other people's lives will impact upon yours. The extent and nature of that impact will depend upon the laws and customs of the place you live. It is in return for putting up with everybody else's impositions upon our own lives that our impositions upon theirs are tolerated.

The alternative is to go and live in the middle of nowhere.

[VoziKaoFangio]

oldnbold said:

I think Australia was mentioned, just found these local laws from Victoria and the Gold Coast.

Compulsory registration.
Fines of up to $5,000 for owners of "recalcitrant" cats.
Curfew from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m.
Cats to be kept on a leash when outdoors and not allowed to enter another property or foul a public place.
Unsupervised cats outdoors may be seized.
Councils empowered to ban cats from premises or areas in the municipality.
Cats found in cat-free zones could be impounded, desexed or killed.
Cats found outdoors after curfew could be seized.

Certainly could do with a few of these laws in the UK.

Wow. Australia just went right up in my estimations. Shame it's so blasted hot there. Although, if I were offered the job of enforcing those excellent bylaws, I might be tempted to buy a hat and a linen suit and go.

[oldnbold]

whoami said:

oldnbold said:

whoami said:

We've got plenty of irrelevant, petty, rules and regulations in the UK already.

Yes we have. And also a big problem with lazy pet owners who won't take responsability for the nuisance that their animals cause.

Really?

Obviously a cat owner then whoami. As mentioned previously why do cat owners feel that their animals should be allowed to roam and mess/cause nuisance. But if any other kind of pet, dog/rabbit/horse etc strolled up to your garden and dumped all over the place you would be outraged.

Dont come back with all this bks about "its what they do, they're roaming animals". 30 years ago it was fairly common for dogs to roam the streets and crap all over the place, but it became unacceptable and owners behaviour has changed by and large.

[otolith]

Their laws on where you can take a dog and where you can let it off the lead are much more restrictive than ours too. Personally, I prefer living in a more free country, but each society has to draw its own boundaries as its people see fit.

[jmorgan]

oldnbold said:

I think Australia was mentioned, just found these local laws from Victoria and the Gold Coast.

Compulsory registration.
Fines of up to $5,000 for owners of "recalcitrant" cats.
Curfew from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m.
Cats to be kept on a leash when outdoors and not allowed to enter another property or foul a public place.
Unsupervised cats outdoors may be seized.
Councils empowered to ban cats from premises or areas in the municipality.
Cats found in cat-free zones could be impounded, desexed or killed.
Cats found outdoors after curfew could be seized.

Certainly could do with a few of these laws in the UK.

I understand cats are not part of the flora and fauna that is normal down under. Wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye.

Could do with these rules for kids though.

[oldnbold]

Just seen this on another thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9TmmF79Rw0

Got to go now, off out to buy a load of bulldog clips

Hopefully we should have a load of cats playing statues in our area soon

[Simpo Two]

lenats31 said:

I can´t call the police in cases like this. With the laws where I am the police would show up on my doorstep and not the neighbourghs. There is a law that says: Your cat = Your responsability. Also if you cat makes unpleasant surprices on private grounds and the person can proove it was your cat that did it. You must cover the damages. Also you can catch the cat and take it to a resque centre.

Ah well, Danish laws are evidently different to British laws. People who mistreat a cat or dog (or any animal) over here and it's the culprit who gets nicked, not the pet owner.

lenats31 said:

I agree with you! Life is too short for complaining about other people´s cats. There are more important things to attend to IMO.

oldnbold said:

Obviously a cat owner then whoami. As mentioned previously why do cat owners feel that their animals should be allowed to roam and mess/cause nuisance. But if any other kind of pet, dog/rabbit/horse etc strolled up to your garden and dumped all over the place you would be outraged.

And people who think cats are dogs are ignorant at best, idiots at worst. Apples and oranges.

Sometimes I find rabbit droppings on my lawn because next door's rabbit has escaped. But I am not 'outraged'. I could shoot his rabbit, then go round and rant and rave and throw the dead rabbit at his feet. But I don't. I guess I'm just too kind.



Presume you're OK for me to come round and put a big bulldog clip on your dog's neck and then laugh? That would be, like, really funny lol?

Edited by Simpo Two on Thursday 11th October 17:02

[oldnbold]

I dont think cats are dogs, but i certainly do think its ignorant to allow your pet to cause a nuisance and upset others because they are to lazy to do something about it.

I'm not suggesting that anyone harm or kill a cat, and I'm sure that your next door neighbour makes every effort to contain his rabbit on his property, which cat owners don't do.

It is the cat owners that are the problem not the animals. I'm sure they select cats as pets because they require very little effort to look after.

We are basically fed up with clearing up cat sh 1t from our garden every day, because the owners think its fine to let there animal out to crap anywear they want.

[otolith]

Radical thought, maybe they choose to have cats because they like cats? Perhaps they don't like dogs or have neighbours who don't like dogs.

[oldnbold]

otolith said:

Radical thought, maybe they choose to have cats because they like cats? Perhaps they don't like dogs or have neighbours who don't like dogs.

By the way I don't have any pets because I don't want to be tied down with looking after one, although we have had several when the kids lived at home.

I and other near neighbours dont like cats but it hasn't stopped others getting them. So I cant see your point about neighbours not liking dogs?

Lets face it the vast majority of cat owners would not have one if they had to walk them on a lead a couple of times a day, pick up there mess etc.

[jmorgan]

Age old question is never going to be answered. As long as there are cats, they will have slaves and we will get it in the ear from the have not going ner ner ner..

I prefer to look at it this way, Tiddles may have incursions into enema territory to make a deposit but on the grand scale of things, Tiddles deposit is nothing compared to what is dumped in a big hole on our behalf every bin bag day and all the other damage we do. But I am not going to let that lose me any sleep.

[oldnbold]

jmorgan said:

Age old question is never going to be answered. As long as there are cats, they will have slaves and we will get it in the ear from the have not going ner ner ner..

I prefer to look at it this way, Tiddles may have incursions into enema territory to make a deposit but on the grand scale of things, Tiddles deposit is nothing compared to what is dumped in a big hole on our behalf every bin bag day and all the other damage we do. But I am not going to let that lose me any sleep.

But people don't dump there rubbish in my garden and expect me to clear it up. If Tiddles deposits are not a problem perhaps as a good neighbour you should pop around to all your neighbours and offer to clear Tiddles mess up, and clean all his wonderfull little paw prints of the neighbours cars.

[otolith]

oldnbold said:

Lets face it the vast majority of cat owners would not have one if they had to walk them on a lead a couple of times a day, pick up there mess etc.

Complete and utter nonsense, like saying that people only have dogs because they can't be bothered cleaning out litter trays.

[jmorgan]

oldnbold said:

But people don't dump there rubbish in my garden and expect me to clear it up. If Tiddles deposits are not a problem perhaps as a good neighbour you should pop around to all your neighbours and offer to clear Tiddles mess up, and clean all his wonderfull little paw prints of the neighbours cars.

Like I said, I look at the bigger picture.

[Simpo Two]

I think this thread has gone far enough. Everyone's had their say, nobody is going to agree and it's getting boring.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Off the top of my head

Issues with dogs:
Can be aggressive
Can be violent
Can be bred for violence, and used as a weapon by scumbags
Occasionally seriously injure people and sometimes kill them
Can bark all night, totally ruining your neighbours life
Charge up to people in the park, often people who want nothing to do with dogs
Can leave piles of poo so big they can be mistaken for a mini roundabout

Issues with cats:
Can leave paw prints on your car, which rub off.
Leave very small piles of poo on other peoples gardens
Can kill birds and other wildlife.

I like cats. I like dogs. But in the overall scheme of things, if we're totting up problems for society, I'm afraid dog owners have the bigger issues to deal with.

In short, no cat ever ripped the face off a kid. (Lions and tigers excepted)

[oldnbold]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Off the top of my head

Issues with dogs:
Can be aggressive
Can be violent
Can be bred for violence, and used as a weapon by scumbags
Occasionally seriously injure people and sometimes kill them
Can bark all night, totally ruining your neighbours life
Charge up to people in the park, often people who want nothing to do with dogs
Can leave piles of poo so big they can be mistaken for a mini roundabout

Issues with cats:
Can leave paw prints on your car, which rub off.
Leave very small piles of poo on other peoples gardens
Can kill birds and other wildlife.




I like cats. I like dogs. But in the overall scheme of things, if we're totting up problems for society, I'm afraid dog owners have the bigger issues to deal with.

In short, no cat ever ripped the face off a kid. (Lions and tigers excepted)

All of the above regarding dogs is correct, however there are laws/systems in place to discourage and penalise dog owners from doing or allowing there dogs to do all of these things.

Unfortunatly at present in this country cat owners can allow there animals to do what ever they like with no possible repercussions.

Is it any wonder that some people take action themselves.

[Rowan138]

my solution to cats crapping everywhere is a old-school super soaker (one of the proper larami branded ones) filled with ice cold water. a couple of rounds of that and they never return

[TwigtheWonderkid]

oldnbold said:

All of the above regarding dogs is correct, however there are laws/systems in place to discourage and penalise dog owners from doing or allowing there dogs to do all of these things.

Unfortunatly at present in this country cat owners can allow there animals to do what ever they like with no possible repercussions.

Is it any wonder that some people take action themselves.

That's very true. Problem is, a dog can still have a great life if the owner is responsible and sticks to the rules. But with a cat, effectively you'd have to keep it indoors. And that's no life for a cat. You cant make your garden escape proof because it can climb. You can't train it to run around the park and then come back to you. It's not that type of animal.