Cats. Grrrrrr!

[lenats31]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

That's very true. Problem is, a dog can still have a great life if the owner is responsible and sticks to the rules. But with a cat, effectively you'd have to keep it indoors. And that's no life for a cat. You cant make your garden escape proof because it can climb. You can't train it to run around the park and then come back to you. It's not that type of animal.

That depends on the fence

Some good exsamples of catfences - a site with several links to picutres of peoples´ catfences.
http://www.netkatten.dk/hjemmeside-haven.htm

They can´t climb upside down;)
http://www.fagan.dk/index-2.htm

As far as I know (by now) there is no law as to when you can sell a kitten. This is a big problem because kittens seperated from their mother and sibs often get emotional and behavioural problems. So having a cat indoor can be trouble for many cats and owners. Even if the cat was not handed over before minimum 12 weeks of age, only few people manage to create an indoor inviroment that meets the cat´s needs.

Edited by lenats31 on Friday 12th October 06:24

[jmorgan]

Interesting fences. I few kids around here could do with them, wonder if the electricery can be woven into my hedge, might stop the kids depositing their vodka bottles in it. Don't mind the bottles so much, just that they are always empty.

[lenats31]

jmorgan said:

Interesting fences. I few kids around here could do with them, wonder if the electricery can be woven into my hedge, might stop the kids depositing their vodka bottles in it. Don't mind the bottles so much, just that they are always empty.

DN

As far as I´m concerned only one happens to be electricity with a few wolts or so (Sundisk Abysinian). Not enough to harm cats. Electricity is a little over the top if you ask me. You can do without. I find those that turn inwards at the top better, and they can´t climb upside down.

I don´t have a problem with other peolles´ cats. Still fact is some people don´t like other peole´s cats running around on their private grounds and these people just might be your neighbourgs. You can´t force one-another to move (into the country). Sprinkling water on your cat and removing poo several times a day isn´t an option, because that´s what annoys them so much. Since no-one is going to move, you must find a way to be neighbourgs in a peacefull way right!

SO, what do you do?

Edited by lenats31 on Friday 12th October 10:17

[VoziKaoFangio]

lenats31 said:

SO, what do you do?

Edited by lenats31 on Friday 12th October 10:17

He looks at the bigger picture and doesn't lose any sleep over it. Apparently, that should be enough to placate neighbours angry at having cat crap everywhere, and make them realise that it's them that has the problem, not the cat/cat owner.

After 10 years of living next door to cat woman (6 cats), whose cats used my garden as their personal bathroom (their favourite spots being patio pots containing nice fresh compost for my herbs to grow in), I have a fairly dim view of people who don't give a rat's backside that their cats pollute other people's private space.

I have now moved and am cat free. Yippee.

[jmorgan]

VoziKaoFangio said:

He looks at the bigger picture and doesn't lose any sleep over it. Apparently, that should be enough to placate neighbours angry at having cat crap everywhere, and make them realise that it's them that has the problem, not the cat/cat owner.

Bigger picture yes, butt not quite the rest. We are all mucking up the place. The tip where your rubbish goes is out of your sight? I realise that a cat is a scary prospect for us intelligent oomans beens but when when you take in the bigger picture, there is enough room to live and let live.

[VoziKaoFangio]

jmorgan said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

He looks at the bigger picture and doesn't lose any sleep over it. Apparently, that should be enough to placate neighbours angry at having cat crap everywhere, and make them realise that it's them that has the problem, not the cat/cat owner.

Bigger picture yes, butt not quite the rest. We are all mucking up the place. The tip where your rubbish goes is out of your sight? I realise that a cat is a scary prospect for us intelligent oomans beens but when when you take in the bigger picture, there is enough room to live and let live.

Yes, there is room. That's why the rubbish dump is out of everyone's sight. Also, much has been done in terms of recycling to mitigate pollution from landfill. Live and let live? What I can't grasp is why cat owners think it's OK to have their cats live and let rip in my garden. It's anti social and it's quite incomparable with the landfill issue. We all use landfill by mutual agreement. There's no mutual agreement in your cat crapping in my herb pots.

[otolith]

Keeping cats and letting them outdoors is normal, traditional, socially acceptable and legal in the UK. If you want the law changed, lobby your MP.

[Simpo Two]

Or move to Denmark!

Sometimes I find cat poo on my lawn, not sure if from mine or others. If I'm feeling lazy I get a trowel and flick it in to the bushes, or if not, bury it. Either way, it's hardly an ordeal in the big picture of life.



Or are we becoming a nation of control freaks? 'This is MY herb pot '?!

[jmorgan]

VoziKaoFangio said:

It's anti social and it's quite incomparable with the landfill issue. We all use landfill by mutual agreement. There's no mutual agreement in your cat crapping in my herb pots.

Depends on your point of view, I suppose people living near to or with the after effects of a tip have the same view? Same with all the rest that we generate. I really do think its a small thing in the grand scheme of things. T

Ands see the bit about contacting your MP.

There will always be someone upset about it. No one is going to win here. Have a nice day.

[VoziKaoFangio]

jmorgan said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

It's anti social and it's quite incomparable with the landfill issue. We all use landfill by mutual agreement. There's no mutual agreement in your cat crapping in my herb pots.

Depends on your point of view, I suppose people living near to or with the after effects of a tip have the same view? Same with all the rest that we generate. I really do think its a small thing in the grand scheme of things. T

Ands see the bit about contacting your MP.

There will always be someone upset about it. No one is going to win here. Have a nice day.

You think it's a small thing because it suits you to think that, what with you not being on the receiving end. It is not a small thing to those of use affected. You're right, there will always be someone upset about it so long as selfish s0ds let their cats do it willy nilly. Someone is winning here - the same selfish s0ds letting their cats crap everywhere. There's just no reasoning with you people.

Don't want to see a tip from your window? Don't buy a house there. Tips are generally situated well away from residential views in any case.

My MP? Don't make me laugh. You can't say it's a "small thing" then suggest I contact my MP. I can't even get a decent answer out of my MP about the bridge our town so desperately needs, I can't see him taking up the baton of a campaign against cat crap.

I'm having a jolly nice day, thanks very much, partly because I don't live next door to 6 cats and their selfish owner any more.

[otolith]

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

[Alfanatic]

lenats31 said:

DN

As far as I´m concerned only one happens to be electricity with a few wolts or so (Sundisk Abysinian). Not enough to harm cats. Electricity is a little over the top if you ask me. You can do without. I find those that turn inwards at the top better, and they can´t climb upside down.

I don´t have a problem with other peolles´ cats. Still fact is some people don´t like other peole´s cats running around on their private grounds and these people just might be your neighbourgs. You can´t force one-another to move (into the country). Sprinkling water on your cat and removing poo several times a day isn´t an option, because that´s what annoys them so much. Since no-one is going to move, you must find a way to be neighbourgs in a peacefull way right!

SO, what do you do?

Edited by lenats31 on Friday 12th October 10:17

There are some good points there, and with regards your ending question I see two options:


1) Live and let live. Accept that this is a consequence of the freedom we have to enslave animals, accept that it's a crowded island and there are compromises we have to make for eachother if we don't want to end up hiding silently in hour houses until we die so that we don't annoy anyone.

2) Ban cat ownership and anything else that happens to offend anyone, and don't complain when someone takes away some or other freedom that you are fond of.

[VoziKaoFangio]

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

You may have a point if I parked my car in their back gardens and revved the engine until their plants went black. I don't, so you don't.

[Alfanatic]

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

You may have a point if I parked my car in their back gardens and revved the engine until their plants went black. I don't, so you don't.

Wrong. The point is that someone is offended by the fact that you use a car. The bit that they find offensive bit doesn't have to emulate the properties and impact of foreign cat poo to be relevant.

[oldnbold]

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

So otolith if you get a new nextdoor neighbour who owns a couple of large dogs who continually get out and crap all over your lawn and jump up at your car and leave muddy paw prints, you just say "live and let live" will you.

[VoziKaoFangio]

Alfanatic said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

You may have a point if I parked my car in their back gardens and revved the engine until their plants went black. I don't, so you don't.

Wrong. The point is that someone is offended by the fact that you use a car. The bit that they find offensive bit doesn't have to emulate the properties and impact of foreign cat poo to be relevant.

In the confines of this debate, the car comparison fails utterly and is totally irrelevant. It is not a comparable issue, for many reasons. We are talking here about the invasion and abuse of private property. General car ownership, whilst obviously offensive to some, does not come under this category.

[otolith]

oldnbold said:

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

So otolith if you get a new nextdoor neighbour who owns a couple of large dogs who continually get out and crap all over your lawn and jump up at your car and leave muddy paw prints, you just say "live and let live" will you.

Is that in accordance with UK laws relating to dogs?

[otolith]

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

You may have a point if I parked my car in their back gardens and revved the engine until their plants went black. I don't, so you don't.

If you confined the emissions of your car to the bounds of your property, I might concede the point.

Do you?

[otolith]

VoziKaoFangio said:

In the confines of this debate, the car comparison fails utterly and is totally irrelevant. It is not a comparable issue, for many reasons.

Principally the issue that you are only willing to discuss the way that others impose on you and don't give a damn about the way you impose on others. You have a problem with give and don't care about take.

[VoziKaoFangio]

otolith said:

VoziKaoFangio said:

otolith said:

There are people who object to the exhaust emissions of your cars just as strongly (and perhaps with greater cause) as you object to cat emissions. Will you be getting rid of your cars, or do you selfishly not give a damn about those people?

You may have a point if I parked my car in their back gardens and revved the engine until their plants went black. I don't, so you don't.

If you confined the emissions of your car to the bounds of your property, I might concede the point.

Do you?

The wind has a habit of diluting and redistributing them. That doesn't happen to cat excrement. I suppose I should be slightly thankful of that, thinking about it - the redistributing bit, anyway!