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Fozziebear

1,840 posts

139 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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My grandad used to breed Cockers, he and my dad told me that they were as mad as a bag of frogs and could turn at anytime for no reason. I never got bit or hurt by them, but always watched out at feeding time. It is all about the owner and how they train/treat the dogs, I've know Labradors try to bite me whilst I've been out running, even had a poodle try their luck, never had a staffie/rottie/Doberman do it.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,244 posts

149 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Whilst the OP's tone was never going to win him many friends, I think many dog owners do need a bit of a wake up call.

My kids are older now, but when they were young I used to get very fed up going over to the park, firstly with the volume of dog mess and secondly, with dogs off the lead charging over, leaping up, knocking them over and generally scaring the wits out of them, only to be told "he only wants to play/he loves kids/he wouldn't harm a fly." Either keep you mut on a lead or train it not run off and jump up at strangers.

I've never owned a dog, not because I'm anti dog, but because I haven't got the time to walk it/train it/look after it properly. I wish some dog owners had made the same decision.

Karyn

6,053 posts

167 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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I cannot comprehend the unwillingness of people to accept the fact that dog behaviour is more to do with the level of responsibility and prowess demonstrated by the owner toward the dog than it is to do with "breed characteristics".

A dog that poses a risk to [other dogs especially] is usually indicative of poor upbringing and socialisation. An owner that hasn't cared enough to provide for the basic needs of a healthy, well-rounded dog from a young age isn't likely to suddenly start caring about the risk their dog now poses to other dogs. I.e. they're not about to muzzle their dog.


bexVN

14,682 posts

210 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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graphene said:
Fozziebear said:
My grandad used to breed Cockers, he and my dad told me that they were as mad as a bag of frogs and could turn at anytime for no reason. I never got bit or hurt by them, but always watched out at feeding time. It is all about the owner and how they train/treat the dogs, I've know Labradors try to bite me whilst I've been out running, even had a poodle try their luck, never had a staffie/rottie/Doberman do it.
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Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Pig Skill said:
OK here's my beef.

I think that no matter what dog an owner decides to have, when outside of their home said dogs should be on a lead and wearing a muzzle.

Why?

Well, because no matter how fluffy, loving or cute they are they have the potential to harm. People swear that their dog would never harm anyone, but the bottom line is that they cannot be 100% sure. Never

In my opinion a dog (depending on breed) is more of a potential killing weapon than a knife.

Strong words I know, but thats the way it is for me.

Plus, they are noisy barking bds that st everywhere. fking dogs. shoot

As a side note - I have never been attacked or bitten by one of these flea bags. smile
I have been bitten by a few and even I don't think this.

Also are we going to muzzle cats and sand their claws down?
What about cows? fill them with helium so that they are not heavy enough to trample people?
Put bubble wrap on sheep/goat/cow horns?
What about the bd sea gulls that steal my chips at the beach?

As a side note I do think it would be nice if in this country we had a few dog parks, like you see in America they just have a patch of land fenced in for the dogs to run about and play. Then people can't moan about stepping in dog st or being chased/ slobbered on, unless they were daft enough to go in there of course.

Tumbler

1,432 posts

165 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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bexVN said:
Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.
That's very interesting to me, as mine is a Golden Show Cocker, I hope I don't spoil him! I wouldn't describe him as wimpy currently, more affectionate and gentle, hasn't shown any signs of panic yet, but will bear all this in mind.

wiliferus

4,053 posts

197 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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I've got two Rotties, the bigger of the two weighs in at just over 10 stone. The In Laws have a Jack Russell.
I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.

Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.

CAPP0

19,530 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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FWIW I'll throw my 2p worth in.

I have a German Shepherd (Alsatian to the unaware) who is well trained, well behaved and well controlled.

I also join a group comprised of people involved with, or "customers" of, GSD breed rescue, and on a Sunday there is a regular communal walk. There can be up to 40 dogs attending, of which almost all are GSDs, and once we are clear of car parks etc, the majority of them are off the lead. So, you have a large pack of evil canines rolleyes running loose.

However, every time we see a walker/cyclist/other dogs/horses etc, all dogs are called to heel and they all come back and stand or sit and wait until they are released again. But you can just see in people's faces and reactions when we're out that they are instantly suspicious and "anti", probably because of the breed reputation in the past. But you can't generalise like that.

OP, maybe you should address your obvious fear of dogs rather than just write them off. See if you can find a group walk in your area, join in, meet the dogs, see how they behave and how they're handled (including poop scooping) then come back and update your post?

icetea

846 posts

141 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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wiliferus said:
I've got two Rotties, the bigger of the two weighs in at just over 10 stone. The In Laws have a Jack Russell.
I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.

Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.

icetea

846 posts

141 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
OP,
I have also seen a Car injury someone. I believe people have died from car accidents.
How do we fix this? Please help.
By forcing everyone to take a test before they're allowed one, keeping a national register of who each belongs to to make everything trackable, then making it a legal requirement to have 3rd party insurance. Perhaps we should follow that plan for dogs smile

bexVN

14,682 posts

210 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Tumbler said:
bexVN said:
Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.
That's very interesting to me, as mine is a Golden Show Cocker, I hope I don't spoil him! I wouldn't describe him as wimpy currently, more affectionate and gentle, hasn't shown any signs of panic yet, but will bear all this in mind.
I'm hoping it won't be something you need to worry about as I know they took the problem seriously a few years back now. They are affectionate etc but they are prone to overreacting to scenarios (you have to bear in mind I am referring more in a vet practice context smile) Many dogs are spoiled not just cockers but they are a breed that tends to relish it smile I am aware there are a variety of types that own cockers I was a bit too specific above but it's not without truth either. They are good dogs if treated like dogs!

icetea

846 posts

141 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
confused

We have driving tests. We have a register. It is all trackable. And mostly legal with 3rd Party Insurance yada yada.

We STILL have car injuries. People still die.

Argument logic fail.
We have far less injuries and problems than if it were just a free for all with everyone doing as they please...

Upatdawn

2,182 posts

147 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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icetea said:
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Jack Russell's have 1 aim in life, to kill rats, ive seen one kill 20 in under a minute, our 3 Collies couldnt kill 1 mouse, in fact i had to catch it, even the cat slept through it

How many people owe their lives to emergency rescue dogs (sniffers), how many drug couriers have been caught by them, how many IED's have been discovered by army dogs?

Dogs are mans best friends



RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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icetea said:
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Jack Russel
Still very capable of giving a nasty bite. Could really ruin a child if it went to town on one.



boobles

15,241 posts

214 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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yikes Are them photos of you & your child?

mickk

28,769 posts

241 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Thanks, I've just had my lunch.

Karyn

6,053 posts

167 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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icetea said:
jack russell ... never going to be able to seriously injure...
Are you deluded, or just plain daft?

I find it odd that you'd use a breed that was originally bred to decimate vermin as your poster breed for "never doing injury".

And it's more often the small, "easily controlled" dogs who have owners who let them lunge, growl, bark and exhibit generally aggressive behaviour. Merely because "he's so small, he wouldn't hurt a fly".



ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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icetea said:
That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Absolute bloody bks rofl

I've read some utter bullst on PH in my time here, but I think that is the best, so good I'm tempted to report it to the News Desk to make a feature out of it - What's the best absolute bks you've read on PH?

ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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RB Will said:
As a side note I do think it would be nice if in this country we had a few dog parks, like you see in America they just have a patch of land fenced in for the dogs to run about and play. Then people can't moan about stepping in dog st or being chased/ slobbered on, unless they were daft enough to go in there of course.
yes They are a brilliant concept.

I think here, we would have them 'ruled' by thugs & people scared to use them frown

ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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icetea said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
confused

We have driving tests. We have a register. It is all trackable. And mostly legal with 3rd Party Insurance yada yada.

We STILL have car injuries. People still die.

Argument logic fail.
We have far less injuries and problems than if it were just a free for all with everyone doing as they please...
Actually, more accidents are caused by/involve people with licences than those without.