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My grandad used to breed Cockers, he and my dad told me that they were as mad as a bag of frogs and could turn at anytime for no reason. I never got bit or hurt by them, but always watched out at feeding time. It is all about the owner and how they train/treat the dogs, I've know Labradors try to bite me whilst I've been out running, even had a poodle try their luck, never had a staffie/rottie/Doberman do it.
Whilst the OP's tone was never going to win him many friends, I think many dog owners do need a bit of a wake up call.
My kids are older now, but when they were young I used to get very fed up going over to the park, firstly with the volume of dog mess and secondly, with dogs off the lead charging over, leaping up, knocking them over and generally scaring the wits out of them, only to be told "he only wants to play/he loves kids/he wouldn't harm a fly." Either keep you mut on a lead or train it not run off and jump up at strangers.
I've never owned a dog, not because I'm anti dog, but because I haven't got the time to walk it/train it/look after it properly. I wish some dog owners had made the same decision.
My kids are older now, but when they were young I used to get very fed up going over to the park, firstly with the volume of dog mess and secondly, with dogs off the lead charging over, leaping up, knocking them over and generally scaring the wits out of them, only to be told "he only wants to play/he loves kids/he wouldn't harm a fly." Either keep you mut on a lead or train it not run off and jump up at strangers.
I've never owned a dog, not because I'm anti dog, but because I haven't got the time to walk it/train it/look after it properly. I wish some dog owners had made the same decision.
I cannot comprehend the unwillingness of people to accept the fact that dog behaviour is more to do with the level of responsibility and prowess demonstrated by the owner toward the dog than it is to do with "breed characteristics".
A dog that poses a risk to [other dogs especially] is usually indicative of poor upbringing and socialisation. An owner that hasn't cared enough to provide for the basic needs of a healthy, well-rounded dog from a young age isn't likely to suddenly start caring about the risk their dog now poses to other dogs. I.e. they're not about to muzzle their dog.
A dog that poses a risk to [other dogs especially] is usually indicative of poor upbringing and socialisation. An owner that hasn't cared enough to provide for the basic needs of a healthy, well-rounded dog from a young age isn't likely to suddenly start caring about the risk their dog now poses to other dogs. I.e. they're not about to muzzle their dog.
graphene said:
Fozziebear said:
My grandad used to breed Cockers, he and my dad told me that they were as mad as a bag of frogs and could turn at anytime for no reason. I never got bit or hurt by them, but always watched out at feeding time. It is all about the owner and how they train/treat the dogs, I've know Labradors try to bite me whilst I've been out running, even had a poodle try their luck, never had a staffie/rottie/Doberman do it.
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=sudden+aggre...Pig Skill said:
OK here's my beef.
I think that no matter what dog an owner decides to have, when outside of their home said dogs should be on a lead and wearing a muzzle.
Why?
Well, because no matter how fluffy, loving or cute they are they have the potential to harm. People swear that their dog would never harm anyone, but the bottom line is that they cannot be 100% sure. Never
In my opinion a dog (depending on breed) is more of a potential killing weapon than a knife.
Strong words I know, but thats the way it is for me.
Plus, they are noisy barking bds that st everywhere. fking dogs.
As a side note - I have never been attacked or bitten by one of these flea bags.
I have been bitten by a few and even I don't think this.I think that no matter what dog an owner decides to have, when outside of their home said dogs should be on a lead and wearing a muzzle.
Why?
Well, because no matter how fluffy, loving or cute they are they have the potential to harm. People swear that their dog would never harm anyone, but the bottom line is that they cannot be 100% sure. Never
In my opinion a dog (depending on breed) is more of a potential killing weapon than a knife.
Strong words I know, but thats the way it is for me.
Plus, they are noisy barking bds that st everywhere. fking dogs.
As a side note - I have never been attacked or bitten by one of these flea bags.
Also are we going to muzzle cats and sand their claws down?
What about cows? fill them with helium so that they are not heavy enough to trample people?
Put bubble wrap on sheep/goat/cow horns?
What about the bd sea gulls that steal my chips at the beach?
As a side note I do think it would be nice if in this country we had a few dog parks, like you see in America they just have a patch of land fenced in for the dogs to run about and play. Then people can't moan about stepping in dog st or being chased/ slobbered on, unless they were daft enough to go in there of course.
bexVN said:
Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.
That's very interesting to me, as mine is a Golden Show Cocker, I hope I don't spoil him! I wouldn't describe him as wimpy currently, more affectionate and gentle, hasn't shown any signs of panic yet, but will bear all this in mind.I've got two Rotties, the bigger of the two weighs in at just over 10 stone. The In Laws have a Jack Russell.
I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.
Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.
I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.
Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.
FWIW I'll throw my 2p worth in.
I have a German Shepherd (Alsatian to the unaware) who is well trained, well behaved and well controlled.
I also join a group comprised of people involved with, or "customers" of, GSD breed rescue, and on a Sunday there is a regular communal walk. There can be up to 40 dogs attending, of which almost all are GSDs, and once we are clear of car parks etc, the majority of them are off the lead. So, you have a large pack of evil canines running loose.
However, every time we see a walker/cyclist/other dogs/horses etc, all dogs are called to heel and they all come back and stand or sit and wait until they are released again. But you can just see in people's faces and reactions when we're out that they are instantly suspicious and "anti", probably because of the breed reputation in the past. But you can't generalise like that.
OP, maybe you should address your obvious fear of dogs rather than just write them off. See if you can find a group walk in your area, join in, meet the dogs, see how they behave and how they're handled (including poop scooping) then come back and update your post?
I have a German Shepherd (Alsatian to the unaware) who is well trained, well behaved and well controlled.
I also join a group comprised of people involved with, or "customers" of, GSD breed rescue, and on a Sunday there is a regular communal walk. There can be up to 40 dogs attending, of which almost all are GSDs, and once we are clear of car parks etc, the majority of them are off the lead. So, you have a large pack of evil canines running loose.
However, every time we see a walker/cyclist/other dogs/horses etc, all dogs are called to heel and they all come back and stand or sit and wait until they are released again. But you can just see in people's faces and reactions when we're out that they are instantly suspicious and "anti", probably because of the breed reputation in the past. But you can't generalise like that.
OP, maybe you should address your obvious fear of dogs rather than just write them off. See if you can find a group walk in your area, join in, meet the dogs, see how they behave and how they're handled (including poop scooping) then come back and update your post?
wiliferus said:
I've got two Rotties, the bigger of the two weighs in at just over 10 stone. The In Laws have a Jack Russell.
I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.
Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.I trust my Rotties far over the bloody hateful little Jack. It's a vicious yappy growling snappy thing. My Rotties are calm, obedient loving dogs.
Size, weight and power have little to do with whether a dog is dangerous.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
OP,
I have also seen a Car injury someone. I believe people have died from car accidents.
How do we fix this? Please help.
By forcing everyone to take a test before they're allowed one, keeping a national register of who each belongs to to make everything trackable, then making it a legal requirement to have 3rd party insurance. Perhaps we should follow that plan for dogs I have also seen a Car injury someone. I believe people have died from car accidents.
How do we fix this? Please help.
Tumbler said:
bexVN said:
Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.
That's very interesting to me, as mine is a Golden Show Cocker, I hope I don't spoil him! I wouldn't describe him as wimpy currently, more affectionate and gentle, hasn't shown any signs of panic yet, but will bear all this in mind.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
We have driving tests. We have a register. It is all trackable. And mostly legal with 3rd Party Insurance yada yada.
We STILL have car injuries. People still die.
Argument logic fail.
icetea said:
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Jack Russell's have 1 aim in life, to kill rats, ive seen one kill 20 in under a minute, our 3 Collies couldnt kill 1 mouse, in fact i had to catch it, even the cat slept through itHow many people owe their lives to emergency rescue dogs (sniffers), how many drug couriers have been caught by them, how many IED's have been discovered by army dogs?
Dogs are mans best friends
icetea said:
Of course size, weight and power have something to do with whether a dog is dangerous or not. That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Jack RusselStill very capable of giving a nasty bite. Could really ruin a child if it went to town on one.
icetea said:
jack russell ... never going to be able to seriously injure...
Are you deluded, or just plain daft?I find it odd that you'd use a breed that was originally bred to decimate vermin as your poster breed for "never doing injury".
And it's more often the small, "easily controlled" dogs who have owners who let them lunge, growl, bark and exhibit generally aggressive behaviour. Merely because "he's so small, he wouldn't hurt a fly".
icetea said:
That jack russell could be the most horrible dog you've ever met but he's never going to be able to seriously injure someone, even if he wanted to.
Absolute bloody bks I've read some utter bullst on PH in my time here, but I think that is the best, so good I'm tempted to report it to the News Desk to make a feature out of it - What's the best absolute bks you've read on PH?
RB Will said:
As a side note I do think it would be nice if in this country we had a few dog parks, like you see in America they just have a patch of land fenced in for the dogs to run about and play. Then people can't moan about stepping in dog st or being chased/ slobbered on, unless they were daft enough to go in there of course.
They are a brilliant concept.I think here, we would have them 'ruled' by thugs & people scared to use them
icetea said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
We have driving tests. We have a register. It is all trackable. And mostly legal with 3rd Party Insurance yada yada.
We STILL have car injuries. People still die.
Argument logic fail.
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