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So why bother to post if it's your view and that's that. You obviously had no intention of considering other views.
I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
Pig Skill said:
No matter how much you love your dog, no matter how cute they are, no matter how soft they appear to be; like it or not, they have the potential to maim and have proved so in so many sad occurrences.
I have guard dogs, I am fully aware of the damage they could inflict. What is your point?
If you wish, we could post up lots of pictures of the injuries humans have inflicted upon each other over time? I wonder if we compare stats, who comes out worse, humans or dogs............
bexVN said:
So why bother to post if it's your view and that's that. You obviously had no intention of considering other views.
I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
It is unfair I suppose, but because of the reasons I have already stated i.e. non communicado, one has to take that stance. Unless you can prove your dog can talk?I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
Pig Skill said:
It is unfair I suppose, but because of the reasons I have already stated i.e. non communicado, one has to take that stance. Unless you can prove your dog can talk?
He doesn't need to talk. When you've dedicated your whole adult life to dealing with dogs of all breeds ages etc and in a veterinary environment you get to understand them well. Jimmy is easy to understand by comparison!bexVN said:
Pig Skill said:
It is unfair I suppose, but because of the reasons I have already stated i.e. non communicado, one has to take that stance. Unless you can prove your dog can talk?
He doesn't need to talk. When you've dedicated your whole adult life to dealing with dogs of all breeds ages etc and in a veterinary environment you get to understand them well. Jimmy is easy to understand by comparison!If you feel you can genuinely understand dogs and make a 100% decision on whether they will ever bite or not then you my friend are in the wrong business. You could clean up! Issue certificates of safety and boost the sale values of puppies...
Look, your argument is the same as all the rest - you THINK you can understand them but you can't and one day that confidence will come back to bite you
(see what I did there?)As someone who was "maimed" by a dog when I was a child, I still do not think all dogs should be muzzled. (It was our own collie, I knelt on her paw and she took a chunk out of my ear, it's still missing, I think she ate it.)
Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
FailHere said:
As someone who was "maimed" by a dog when I was a child, I still do not think all dogs should be muzzled. (It was our own collie, I knelt on her paw and she took a chunk out of my ear, it's still missing, I think she ate it.)
Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
Really? So they should stay indoors? Dogs are just animals and very much further downstream of humans.Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
Unfortunately you cannot legislate for the capability of dog owners to control/trust their dogs. Hence the tarring of them all with the same brush.
Pig Skill said:
Really? So they should stay indoors? Dogs are just animals and very much further downstream of humans.
Unfortunately you cannot legislate for the capability of dog owners to control/trust their dogs. Hence the tarring of them all with the same brush.
Well if we are tarring with the same brush, the same goes for people, you can't control all of them not to do something stupid, some are evil nasty people, it's not easy to spot which are which, even when they are capable of speech.Unfortunately you cannot legislate for the capability of dog owners to control/trust their dogs. Hence the tarring of them all with the same brush.
Using your argument all parents should keep their children on leads, I mean they might run into the road and cause an accident, after all you can't really control/trust them can you. (I'm sure there are several examples of children who have caused harm/death to others)
Edited by FailHere on Tuesday 9th October 22:03
Tumbler said:
bexVN said:
Haven't seen a case of true Rage syndrome for many years now. It was mainly golden cockers when they reached 3yrs old. Luckily they worked hard on trying to reduce the occurences of it. Mostly their poor behaviour is because cockers (we're talking show types) are fairly wimpy and panic easily and are usually owned by people who spoil them.
That's very interesting to me, as mine is a Golden Show Cocker, I hope I don't spoil him! I wouldn't describe him as wimpy currently, more affectionate and gentle, hasn't shown any signs of panic yet, but will bear all this in mind.And if dogs should be muzzled because of what they have done to humans in the past, lets consider what THEY have suffered at the hands of humans...
for every 1 dog attack i could post 1000 abused dog cases
Mod edit: don't think we really need pics like that on the thread thanks
for every 1 dog attack i could post 1000 abused dog cases
Mod edit: don't think we really need pics like that on the thread thanks
Edited by Upatdawn on Tuesday 9th October 22:10
Edited by Matt172 on Tuesday 9th October 22:27
Pig Skill said:
Right, right, right. Firstly I'll apologise for my 'tone' it seems to have upset a few of the sensitive types 
That said, I do still stand by my claims and still think dogs should be on a lead and muzzled. Full stop.
Yes, there are many other topics in life one could debate and frankly to question my views on everything else in the universe is a piss poor way of making a defence for dogs.
No matter how much you love your dog, no matter how cute they are, no matter how soft they appear to be; like it or not, they have the potential to maim and have proved so in so many sad occurrences.
The thing is, oh soppy dog lovers, you may well be able to understand your dog on a very basic level (i.e., food, drink, walking and s
tting) but nobody can fully understand a dogs mood. Nobody can talk to and verbally communicate with dogs, nobody can asses them and predict if they may just bite, if they may just misinterpret the action of an unassuming or boisterous child.
No matter what you say, there is no guarantee that they would never flip, and because of this when out in public they should be on a lead and muzzled at all times.
Those are my views and that's that.
I thank you.
Well, your views are misguided and wrong, and also you must be very disappointed as the law is my side so I shall continue to let my dogs off the lead and without muzzles. Even if the Government bring in licences I'm 100% confident I would meet the criteria for dog ownership. That said, I do still stand by my claims and still think dogs should be on a lead and muzzled. Full stop.
Yes, there are many other topics in life one could debate and frankly to question my views on everything else in the universe is a piss poor way of making a defence for dogs.
No matter how much you love your dog, no matter how cute they are, no matter how soft they appear to be; like it or not, they have the potential to maim and have proved so in so many sad occurrences.
The thing is, oh soppy dog lovers, you may well be able to understand your dog on a very basic level (i.e., food, drink, walking and s
tting) but nobody can fully understand a dogs mood. Nobody can talk to and verbally communicate with dogs, nobody can asses them and predict if they may just bite, if they may just misinterpret the action of an unassuming or boisterous child. No matter what you say, there is no guarantee that they would never flip, and because of this when out in public they should be on a lead and muzzled at all times.
Those are my views and that's that.
I thank you.
But thanks for your narrow minded unwavering view point...interesting that you've started a topic of debate with no intention of actually debating? Have you thought of a career in politics?
icetea said:
Horrible dogs like Staffies etc should have to be muzzled and on a lead anywhere in public. I think its a bit pointless for a tiny dog thats on a lead to have to be muzzled - its easy to keep a little dog under control when it can't overpower you.
Horrible dogs like staffies? How old are you, 12? No breed is horrible it's down to how they are brought up and trained. Much like children. You and the OP win joint Belter of the month.Shinobi said:
wiliferus said:
Shortly after taking this pic I was eaten alive. In fact I'm posting this from the grave
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