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I wonder how many people who shoot pheasant have actually seen the conditions in which the birds are reared.
Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
Mobile Chicane said:
I wonder how many people who shoot pheasant have actually seen the conditions in which the birds are reared.
Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
This is not indicative of how shoots raise their birds. Particuarly small syndicate shoots as per the OP. There is no point raising birds that aren't a challenge to shoot as that's part of the idea.Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
boy said:Mobile Chicane said:
I wonder how many people who shoot pheasant have actually seen the conditions in which the birds are reared.
Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
This is not indicative of how shoots raise their birds. Particuarly small syndicate shoots as per the OP. There is no point raising birds that aren't a challenge to shoot as that's part of the idea.Out walking recently, I happened past a farm in Cobham, Surrey, I thought had to be farming battery chickens. The birds were outside, but they were pretty densely packed.
Getting closer, I realised they were pheasant, crammed in tiny enclosed pens, with absolutely no shelter. In the wild they'd seek cover. These birds had no chance of this, never mind the chance to stretch their wings.
If such conditions are in any way typical, that's horrendously cruel. However I suppose that cramming birds in to tiny pens where they'll never properly develop their flight muscles makes them easier to shoot.
Hardly 'sporting'. In fact, shameful.
I wouldn't shoot a bird ( or any animal ) for sport or entertainment. That said I'm not too bothered about those that do , in the name of land management / pest control
I own a Springer , although never trained or encouraged to do so , he does have an in-built fascination for game , chasing , sometimes catching various birds. I really don't like the outcome for the bird but I can see first hand how much it matters to him , as if he's fulfilling something he's duty bound to do . I do like to see him at work , detecting and flushing out the birds , I don't like it when he's too successful though
I own a Springer , although never trained or encouraged to do so , he does have an in-built fascination for game , chasing , sometimes catching various birds. I really don't like the outcome for the bird but I can see first hand how much it matters to him , as if he's fulfilling something he's duty bound to do . I do like to see him at work , detecting and flushing out the birds , I don't like it when he's too successful though
Got to feel sorry for the OP really. His happy thread turned into a unresolvable punch-up.
Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
Simpo Two said:
Got to feel sorry for the OP really. His happy thread turned into a unresolvable punch-up.
Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
I had a great day and so did my dogs. The pheasants, not so much!Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
Simpo Two said:
Got to feel sorry for the OP really. His happy thread turned into a unresolvable punch-up.
Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
+1 Now here's a thought. People who shoot don't try to make non-shooters go out and shoot things. So why do non-shooters try to make everybody into non-shooters? Sometimes I think that as a nation we are too busy minding other people's business. Live and let live (OK bad choice of words but you get the point)
if someone doesn't want to shoot don't, if you do do...
Not bad Simpers but you missed a few other headlines
"the joy of death'
'what fun to kill fluffy animals' etc
Right back at you.
So people who spend lots of time breeding and rearing game birds, safe from predators in pens, fed and looked after, to lead a free life in the countryside where 40% may possibly suffer a very quick death, are sick blood lusting bds who enjoy have fun at the death of animals? You seem to be missing the point by fking miles...
Whilst other people believe that the only way for an animal in the food chain to die, is in the slaughter house with 'humane' methods (never mind the 2 hour journey and stress the animal had getting there). If you eat meat I hope your conscious is a clear as people who rear and shoot game.
This is only a couple of years old and in the rose tinted world you live in, one would hope things have moved on, but watch the movie and please tell us how humane and what wonderful deaths these animals have in randomly selected slaughter houses....
DO NOT watch the movie if you are upset by the suffering of animals! It's very, very upsetting!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/08/secret...
All the sick bds who enjoy killing animals seem to work in abattoirs!
Sicks who I'd happily shoot!
"the joy of death'
'what fun to kill fluffy animals' etc
King Herald said:
Right back at you.So people who spend lots of time breeding and rearing game birds, safe from predators in pens, fed and looked after, to lead a free life in the countryside where 40% may possibly suffer a very quick death, are sick blood lusting b
ds who enjoy have fun at the death of animals? You seem to be missing the point by fking miles... Whilst other people believe that the only way for an animal in the food chain to die, is in the slaughter house with 'humane' methods (never mind the 2 hour journey and stress the animal had getting there). If you eat meat I hope your conscious is a clear as people who rear and shoot game.
This is only a couple of years old and in the rose tinted world you live in, one would hope things have moved on, but watch the movie and please tell us how humane and what wonderful deaths these animals have in randomly selected slaughter houses....
DO NOT watch the movie if you are upset by the suffering of animals! It's very, very upsetting!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/08/secret...
All the sick b
ds who enjoy killing animals seem to work in abattoirs!Sick
s who I'd happily shoot!Bacardi said:
Not bad Simpers but you missed a few other headlines
"the joy of death'
'what fun to kill fluffy animals' etc
Right back at you.
So people who spend lots of time breeding and rearing game birds, safe from predators in pens, fed and looked after, to lead a free life in the countryside where 40% may possibly suffer a very quick death, are sick blood lusting bds who enjoy have fun at the death of animals? You seem to be missing the point by fking miles...
In your drama-laden outburst of testosterone and mid-life-crisis fuelled angst, you seem to neglect the fact that all I asked was "why do people like to kill animals?". No more, no less. "the joy of death'
'what fun to kill fluffy animals' etc
King Herald said:
Right back at you.So people who spend lots of time breeding and rearing game birds, safe from predators in pens, fed and looked after, to lead a free life in the countryside where 40% may possibly suffer a very quick death, are sick blood lusting b
ds who enjoy have fun at the death of animals? You seem to be missing the point by fking miles... I guess it touched a nerve though...
KH, do you eat meat?
ETA
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King Herald said:
testosterone and mid-life-crisis fuelled angst
Hey, thanks for the ad hom insult...King Herald said:
you seem to neglect the fact that all I asked was "why do people like to kill animals?". No more, no less.
I have absolutely no idea why people 'like' to kill animals. I have never met any, so I can't comprehend it. But it seems to be some warped fixation that you are afflicted with....Edited by Bacardi on Saturday 20th October 01:22
Bacardi said:
KH, do you eat meat?
ETA
No, it is simple enough question, but it is baffling so many people, who see it as some hidden challenge.ETA
King Herald said:
testosterone and mid-life-crisis fuelled angst
Hey, thanks for the ad hom insult...King Herald said:
you seem to neglect the fact that all I asked was "why do people like to kill animals?". No more, no less.
I have absolutely no idea why people 'like' to kill animals. I have never met any, so I can't comprehend it. But it seems to be some warped fixation that you are afflicted with....Gassing Station | All Creatures Great & Small | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff