Puppies fighting.
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Morning All,
We had a really bad experience last night. Our 10 week old Patterdale pups - dog and bh went for it BIG style last night. Each locked their teeth into each other and NO persuasion would get them apart. The hose pipe on full and a subsequent drenching proved futile. Both my wife and I sustained bites and the dog suffered an injured leg.
The vet said to separate them immediately and that's were we are now. Any small introduction results in aggression and we fear a repeat of last night.
All ideas/thoughts greatly appreciated.
We had a really bad experience last night. Our 10 week old Patterdale pups - dog and bh went for it BIG style last night. Each locked their teeth into each other and NO persuasion would get them apart. The hose pipe on full and a subsequent drenching proved futile. Both my wife and I sustained bites and the dog suffered an injured leg.
The vet said to separate them immediately and that's were we are now. Any small introduction results in aggression and we fear a repeat of last night.
All ideas/thoughts greatly appreciated.
No food involved and yes they're littermates. Up until last night they got on like a house on fire.....the occasional and usual (?) play fighting, but last night was the real deal.
We'd like to get them back together but Patterdales are feisty little blighters and we fear they'll seriously hurt each other. Funnily enough though, neither drew blood (apart from me and my wife!)
Thanks
We'd like to get them back together but Patterdales are feisty little blighters and we fear they'll seriously hurt each other. Funnily enough though, neither drew blood (apart from me and my wife!)
Thanks
No food involved and yes they're littermates. Up until last night they got on like a house on fire.....the occasional and usual (?) play fighting, but last night was the real deal.
We'd like to get them back together but Patterdales are feisty little blighters and we fear they'll seriously hurt each other. Funnily enough though, neither drew blood (apart from me and my wife!)
Thanks
We'd like to get them back together but Patterdales are feisty little blighters and we fear they'll seriously hurt each other. Funnily enough though, neither drew blood (apart from me and my wife!)
Thanks
Sorry, they're opposite sex. Trying this morning to get them back together by reward and chastisement when needed. Keeping them on collars as without, we fear they would have another go.
Time for tough love we fear.
Do you think they will learn to tolerate each other or will they need to "see it out?"
Thanks
Time for tough love we fear.
Do you think they will learn to tolerate each other or will they need to "see it out?"
Thanks
I think this is more to do with the breed.
Patterdales ars the toughest of the terriers and bloody hard work at times. A true working breed, if they are showing this level of aggression at such a young age I think you have no choice but to separate permanently. I don't think I have ever heard such aggressive behaviour between two pups so young. Esp opposite sex.
Patterdales ars the toughest of the terriers and bloody hard work at times. A true working breed, if they are showing this level of aggression at such a young age I think you have no choice but to separate permanently. I don't think I have ever heard such aggressive behaviour between two pups so young. Esp opposite sex.
Opposite sex is a bit more difficult.
What is the body language like? any visible warnings? Is there a territory issue?
http://www.thepatterdaleterrier.co.uk/#!about-the-... this seems to think they should be ok with other dogs - did you see the parents? TBH I would say go to the breeder if they sold you two littermates I would be reluctant to take their advice. Is there a breed club you can contact for help?
What is the body language like? any visible warnings? Is there a territory issue?
http://www.thepatterdaleterrier.co.uk/#!about-the-... this seems to think they should be ok with other dogs - did you see the parents? TBH I would say go to the breeder if they sold you two littermates I would be reluctant to take their advice. Is there a breed club you can contact for help?
Edited by Jasandjules on Sunday 21st July 12:39
Wouldn't you expect all of the above to be a problem in older pups esp reaching maturity. This seems unusually aggressive for 2 so young even for littermates. The only truly contented patterdales I've known have usually had a working type family. Pet patterdales are not the easiest.
I'm just worried that to be starting off with such a problem so young is going to mean no end of stress with no guarantees of a good outcome. Hope I' m wrong and a reason is found thus rectified.
I'm just worried that to be starting off with such a problem so young is going to mean no end of stress with no guarantees of a good outcome. Hope I' m wrong and a reason is found thus rectified.
bexVN said:
I'm just worried that to be starting off with such a problem so young is going to mean no end of stress with no guarantees of a good outcome. Hope I' m wrong and a reason is found thus rectified.
I'm inclined to agree. Pups this young shouldn't be so aggressive. Play fighting and rough and tumble etc but not all out war.If its that serious I wonder if having a CO2 fire extinguisher to hand might be an idea?
When entering a house as part of a firearms team where a dog was likely to be a problem one of the team would have one ready for use. One dog made 3 attacks but each was stopped instantly by a blast of CO2 & after the third it hid behind the settee and took no further part in the proceedings. Its drug dealer owner was less than impressed.
AFAIK no dog had any lasting effects, but I would want to take Bex's advice on this.
When entering a house as part of a firearms team where a dog was likely to be a problem one of the team would have one ready for use. One dog made 3 attacks but each was stopped instantly by a blast of CO2 & after the third it hid behind the settee and took no further part in the proceedings. Its drug dealer owner was less than impressed.
AFAIK no dog had any lasting effects, but I would want to take Bex's advice on this.
Edited by paintman on Sunday 21st July 21:17
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