Animal shelters, so many SBT
Discussion
KFC said:
Well hopefully you won't need to come back and change your name to 1thumb (or worse) at some point 
Its unavoidable that these type of dogs end up with a bad reputation, due to one sub section of their owners. I wouldn't go near any type of big dog with a bad reputation unless I already knew it was okay...
You DO realise that you are exactly the type of Daily Mail reading persona that is causing these dogs to have a bad reputation?Its unavoidable that these type of dogs end up with a bad reputation, due to one sub section of their owners. I wouldn't go near any type of big dog with a bad reputation unless I already knew it was okay...
BTW - SBTs are NOT big dogs, they are smaller than a Springer!
ali_kat said:
KFC said:
Well hopefully you won't need to come back and change your name to 1thumb (or worse) at some point
Its unavoidable that these type of dogs end up with a bad reputation, due to one sub section of their owners. I wouldn't go near any type of big dog with a bad reputation unless I already knew it was okay...
You DO realise that you are exactly the type of Daily Mail reading persona that is causing these dogs to have a bad reputation?Its unavoidable that these type of dogs end up with a bad reputation, due to one sub section of their owners. I wouldn't go near any type of big dog with a bad reputation unless I already knew it was okay...
BTW - SBTs are NOT big dogs, they are smaller than a Springer!
g3rrd said:
Shaw Tarse said:
Nanny dog.
Never was. Modern day myth. Just PR spin trying to improve the breeds image. 
nursemaid
bexVN said:
The only breed listed in a kennel club breed description book as a dog good with children and known as the Nanny Dog for that reason, many years ago now, not sure if they still list it as such.
Characteristics: Traditionally of indomitable courage and tenacity. Highly intelligent and affectionate, especially with children..Temperament: Bold, fearless and totally reliable.
A lot of Staffordshire Bull Terrier enthusiasts dislike the "Nanny" tag.
g3rrd said:
I used to meet up in the park most days with my three Staffords and join a group of people with anything up to 12 dogs all off lead and running around with no problems at all. The people never judged or excluded me and the dogs, being dogs where just accepted into the "pack".
That's what tends to happen with well informed people and properly trained and socialised dogs.
Thats great if you live in a small village and the same small group of people. You get to know them, everyone knows you're not an aThat's what tends to happen with well informed people and properly trained and socialised dogs.
hole SBT owner and its all good. Its just completely unsuitable for where I live - new tourists with their dogs every single day so it'd be the same nonsense every single day. And one of them complains and I'm kicked off the beach and likely banned so just not worth it...
ali_kat said:
You DO realise that you are exactly the type of Daily Mail reading persona that is causing these dogs to have a bad reputation?
BTW - SBTs are NOT big dogs, they are smaller than a Springer!
Sorry but thats absolute nonsense. The people causing these dogs to have a bad reputation are the idiots keeping them cooped up in 1 bedroom flats in council estates, and marching around with them almost like they're some borderline weapon or status symbol. You know, the ones we read about every so often when some kid gets their face torn off. Like it or not, they now have a negative reputation - to the point where there are zero circumstances in which I'd own one (see my points above).BTW - SBTs are NOT big dogs, they are smaller than a Springer!
KFC said:
Sorry but thats absolute nonsense. The people causing these dogs to have a bad reputation are the idiots keeping them cooped up in 1 bedroom flats in council estates, and marching around with them almost like they're some borderline weapon or status symbol. You know, the ones we read about every so often when some kid gets their face torn off. Like it or not, they now have a negative reputation - to the point where there are zero circumstances in which I'd own one (see my points above).
No, it's the people that repeat that bullst (like your good self) that hype it up that are the main issue of the dogs bad reputation.SBTs are fantastic dogs, we have 3 kids 10,8 and 4 and shes fantastic with them.
wonderful breed if brought up and treated right. our SBT is just another daughter to us
as you can see very alert
honestly if your looking for a loving loyal family pet you cant get better than a SBT
I come from a family of dog showers and breeders, and have spent my entire life around dogs of all breeds, and staffs are one of the most docile breeds you will find,
wonderful breed if brought up and treated right. our SBT is just another daughter to us
as you can see very alert
honestly if your looking for a loving loyal family pet you cant get better than a SBT
I come from a family of dog showers and breeders, and have spent my entire life around dogs of all breeds, and staffs are one of the most docile breeds you will find,
KFC and Ali
I've not got a staffy, but do have a mastiffy cross that looks a good bit like a big staff.
She's lovely, really lovely. She's also enthusiastic, friendly, energetic and inquisitive.
But she looks just like the sort of dog you would see attached to a addidas tracky and stella tinny by a chain. (And sadly there are a lot of that sort in Swindon.)
If she runs up to someone in the park (happy, tail wagging, not that interested but just "cruisin' around") most are fine, but some, many, automatically assume they are about to meet their maker because of how she looks...
We have people cross the street to avoid us if we are out for a walk.
I have been shouted at twice (both times by biddies) that I shouldn't be out "with a dangerous dog like that"
She got attacked by an old grumpy collie (meh - it happens - she legged it with her tail between her legs!
) Owner was rather vocal in that it was my dog who was dangerous and how I must be chavscum
I suffered a good 10 minute tirade from one particularly concerned citizen because I was letting her play with my daughter with a stick in the park (they keep each other entertained for hours!). Apparently both the police and social services were coming to remove both the dog and the daughter.
I can understand someone not wanting all that aggro. It is often rather embarrassing. (And no, I don't shout back, don't encourage it, always try to pour oil on the waters but it is quite clearcut - she is a dangerous dog and should be instantly destroyed)
Sadly it is the tts who shouldn't be allowed crayons, never mind a dog that have brought this state of affairs to be. The press report it ferociously as it makes a good story as it spreads fear and alarm, and people believe it. It must be true as it's in all the papers.
People are stupid.
We know to look at the owner and how to judge a dogs behaviour, but many seem not to.
If you pass up on a SBT because you don't want to hassle and grief of this reaction from Joe Public that is utterly understandable. Sad, but understandable. I do not think that that is the cause of the breeds current PR crisis.
If you pass up on a SBT because you believe that the dog may cause you grief, rather than J Public that would be an error.
They are cracking dogs - it is a shame that the idiots have ruined their image. Hopefully this will not last - personally i look forward to them not being the fashion dog and I hope this process has started. (When I was young and all this was fields it was German Shepards that all the fuss was about)
Someday a staffy will be a respectable mutt again. Even with their current image problem I would wholeheartedly recommend one - there are a lot that need loving homes out there.
(Hopefully those vicious and invariable abysmally trained westies will be the chavscum status dog of choice )
I've not got a staffy, but do have a mastiffy cross that looks a good bit like a big staff.
She's lovely, really lovely. She's also enthusiastic, friendly, energetic and inquisitive.
But she looks just like the sort of dog you would see attached to a addidas tracky and stella tinny by a chain. (And sadly there are a lot of that sort in Swindon.)
If she runs up to someone in the park (happy, tail wagging, not that interested but just "cruisin' around") most are fine, but some, many, automatically assume they are about to meet their maker because of how she looks...
We have people cross the street to avoid us if we are out for a walk.
I have been shouted at twice (both times by biddies) that I shouldn't be out "with a dangerous dog like that"
She got attacked by an old grumpy collie (meh - it happens - she legged it with her tail between her legs!
) Owner was rather vocal in that it was my dog who was dangerous and how I must be chavscumI suffered a good 10 minute tirade from one particularly concerned citizen because I was letting her play with my daughter with a stick in the park (they keep each other entertained for hours!). Apparently both the police and social services were coming to remove both the dog and the daughter.
I can understand someone not wanting all that aggro. It is often rather embarrassing. (And no, I don't shout back, don't encourage it, always try to pour oil on the waters but it is quite clearcut - she is a dangerous dog and should be instantly destroyed)
Sadly it is the t
ts who shouldn't be allowed crayons, never mind a dog that have brought this state of affairs to be. The press report it ferociously as it makes a good story as it spreads fear and alarm, and people believe it. It must be true as it's in all the papers. People are stupid.
We know to look at the owner and how to judge a dogs behaviour, but many seem not to.
If you pass up on a SBT because you don't want to hassle and grief of this reaction from Joe Public that is utterly understandable. Sad, but understandable. I do not think that that is the cause of the breeds current PR crisis.
If you pass up on a SBT because you believe that the dog may cause you grief, rather than J Public that would be an error.
They are cracking dogs - it is a shame that the idiots have ruined their image. Hopefully this will not last - personally i look forward to them not being the fashion dog and I hope this process has started. (When I was young and all this was fields it was German Shepards that all the fuss was about)
Someday a staffy will be a respectable mutt again. Even with their current image problem I would wholeheartedly recommend one - there are a lot that need loving homes out there.
(Hopefully those vicious and invariable abysmally trained westies will be the chavscum status dog of choice
)Staffies....lovely dogs most of the time, like any other breed, can go wrong, and have some history of breeding from fighting strains, sadly spoiled by chavs and breeding with less settled breeds such as PBT and ABD, I'd have one anytime, and would allow close contact with family and doggy friends, but would never trust any dog 100% with kids unsupervised, mainly because kids are less trustworthy. People seem to want guarantees of behaviour, that can't happen, dogs aren't programmed.
Big bad dogs are brilliant when they are under control, my rescue rott is intimidating on a chain, but is so good with people and dogs, the latter sometimes takes a couple of meetings for dog brains to realise there is no aggression, it's fun to be able to change peolpe's preconceptions of what a savage dog is.
Most dog problems come from people, but also dog behavioural characteristics are inherited, so guard breeds will naturally be more inclined to guard, usually their family, gundogs will usually carry their toy/find back to you, collies will herd sheep, fighting dogs will be more likely to lose their rationale if they start to fight. So, avoid the chance of fighting by control, never leave a dog small or large with a small child, learn what your dog is like, how it reacts to all of life's challenges, manage the bits where they aren't happy.
It is a shame that dogs are blamed for our failings all too often.
But, Staffies are great dogs.
Big bad dogs are brilliant when they are under control, my rescue rott is intimidating on a chain, but is so good with people and dogs, the latter sometimes takes a couple of meetings for dog brains to realise there is no aggression, it's fun to be able to change peolpe's preconceptions of what a savage dog is.
Most dog problems come from people, but also dog behavioural characteristics are inherited, so guard breeds will naturally be more inclined to guard, usually their family, gundogs will usually carry their toy/find back to you, collies will herd sheep, fighting dogs will be more likely to lose their rationale if they start to fight. So, avoid the chance of fighting by control, never leave a dog small or large with a small child, learn what your dog is like, how it reacts to all of life's challenges, manage the bits where they aren't happy.
It is a shame that dogs are blamed for our failings all too often.
But, Staffies are great dogs.
ali_kat said:
No, it's the people that repeat that bullst (like your good self) that hype it up that are the main issue of the dogs bad reputation.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602510/Solicitor-bitten-face-trying-stop-Staffordshire-bull-terrier-ripping-apart-tiny-puppy-police-STILL-hunting-dog-owner-ran-off.htmlt (like your good self) that hype it up that are the main issue of the dogs bad reputation.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staffordshire...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://news.stv.tv/tayside/264076-brechin-man-walk...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Guide-dog-savage...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/teenager-att...
Would you like some more ? As that took me < 2 minutes to find.
You can call it 'bulls
t' all you like... but it doesn't disguise the fact that ahole owners are causing huge issues with these dogs. A 2 minute Google search will find you dozens of articles... undeniable proof but feel free to continue to bury your head in the sand Exactly!
My Dobie was soft as butter, even tho she'd been very obviously abused before she was abandoned on the side of the m42, it was her lucky day that she wound up on a friends land!
My brothers SBT is the 1st I've had real interaction with & again, she is as soft as butter.
Both are/were bloody intimidating behind closed doors when you approach 'their house' until 'Mum' or 'Dad' opens the door to you, then they roll onto their backs offering their tummy for a rub!!
It's the bad owners, publicised & rumours spread & fanned by the likes of KFC & other Daily Mail readers that cause the problem for them, NOT the dogs
My Dobie was soft as butter, even tho she'd been very obviously abused before she was abandoned on the side of the m42, it was her lucky day that she wound up on a friends land!
My brothers SBT is the 1st I've had real interaction with & again, she is as soft as butter.
Both are/were bloody intimidating behind closed doors when you approach 'their house' until 'Mum' or 'Dad' opens the door to you, then they roll onto their backs offering their tummy for a rub!!
It's the bad owners, publicised & rumours spread & fanned by the likes of KFC & other Daily Mail readers that cause the problem for them, NOT the dogs
ali_kat said:
It's the bad owners, publicised & rumours spread & fanned by the likes of KFC & other Daily Mail readers that cause the problem for them, NOT the dogs
Yep, all those articles I posted above are just rumours... fictional stories lying about dead kids and puppies to make SBT's look bad.Its idiotic to blame people like me - you need to blame the bad owners, as they're the ones causing the issues. Given all the links above, why the hell wouldn't I cross the street or get my dog on a lead if I seen one coming? How do I know whether its a responsible owner or not at first glance?
KFC said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602510/So...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staffordshire...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://news.stv.tv/tayside/264076-brechin-man-walk...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Guide-dog-savage...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/teenager-att...
Would you like some more ? As that took me < 2 minutes to find.
You can call it 'bullst' all you like... but it doesn't disguise the fact that ahole owners are causing huge issues with these dogs. A 2 minute Google search will find you dozens of articles... undeniable proof but feel free to continue to bury your head in the sand
Two minutes on that bastion of factual knowledge, the Daily Mail found these stories... So what's your point? Any dog can attack. Given the sheer number of dogs, the fact there are so few attacks speaks volumes for them. Put any breed into a Google search with the term 'attacked a child' and you'll find a story. Personally I have been bitten by a black lab and a Jack Russell, my girlfriend by a Lancashire Heeler which left her needing stitches to her face, and a Westie which scarred her leg. You only tend to hear about the SBT stories because that's what sells papers and only attacks on children by other breeds will tend to make the news.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staffordshire...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://news.stv.tv/tayside/264076-brechin-man-walk...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Guide-dog-savage...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/teenager-att...
Would you like some more ? As that took me < 2 minutes to find.
You can call it 'bulls
t' all you like... but it doesn't disguise the fact that ahole owners are causing huge issues with these dogs. A 2 minute Google search will find you dozens of articles... undeniable proof but feel free to continue to bury your head in the sand http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529831/Fa...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019863/Ic...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237532/Pe...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Bo...
It's a bit unfair. The papers love nothing more than grabbing any reports involving certain breeds. Years ago it was Rottweiler and German Shepherds.
I see dogs brought in that have been attacked by all breeds. 1 staffie had weeks of treatment after being savaged by a collie mix but that won't make the papers. A staffie that was stabbed with glass in its own garden, he didn't retaliate either. The staffie that was attacked by his crossbreed friend, he was bitten on his neck, ears, legs, the other dog had minor scrages.
Until the press start balancing their stories the stigma will remain. I also know that once that's get bored of staffs (remembering they rarely own a true staff) they find a way to demonise another breed (prob the husky!)
I see dogs brought in that have been attacked by all breeds. 1 staffie had weeks of treatment after being savaged by a collie mix but that won't make the papers. A staffie that was stabbed with glass in its own garden, he didn't retaliate either. The staffie that was attacked by his crossbreed friend, he was bitten on his neck, ears, legs, the other dog had minor scrages.
Until the press start balancing their stories the stigma will remain. I also know that once that's get bored of staffs (remembering they rarely own a true staff) they find a way to demonise another breed (prob the husky!)
KFC, if you took time to go out and get involved with these dogs and their owners, form an educated opinion, not one based around daily mail clippings, you may change your mind.
You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
3 times I've encountered Staff's on my usual forest walk, 2 of the times the dogs have been aggressive.
Based on that I give staff's a wide berth. I'd rather offend an SBT owner than have my dogs on the receiving end of a bite.
Most of the other dogs we encounter are fine, with the odd yappy, little, small dog syndrome miscreant.
I like SBT's, but I don't like ones I don't know near my dogs.
Also the only dog that I ever saw real aggression from at training classes was a staff, gorgeous little thing - completely psychotic though.
Based on that I give staff's a wide berth. I'd rather offend an SBT owner than have my dogs on the receiving end of a bite.
Most of the other dogs we encounter are fine, with the odd yappy, little, small dog syndrome miscreant.
I like SBT's, but I don't like ones I don't know near my dogs.
Also the only dog that I ever saw real aggression from at training classes was a staff, gorgeous little thing - completely psychotic though.
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